Tekken 5 Tiers?

If you don’t want them to tech do:

EWGF, EWGF, 1,1,1, d/f 4,4 does about 66 damage.

if you want to take them to the wall:

EWGF, EWGF, 1,1,1, f+2 does about 66 damage too and sends them flying really fucking far away.

if you want most possible damage w/o a wall:

EWGF, EWGF, 1,1,1, HS to Hookfist does about 72 or 73 damage.

if you are at correct spacing from the wall:

EWGF, EWGF, 1,1,1 (or whatever necessary combination to get wall hit), b+3,1,4,1 does about 95 to 100 damage.

if you side step to your left dash jabs don’t work consistently so…

EWGF, EWGF, b+2,4,1 to take them to wall

EWGF, EWGF, CD WS 4,4 to prevent tech.

Off of TP:

Do:

3,1, HS to Hook for damage

1,2, 1,1, f+2 to take to wall

1,2, 1,1, d/f 4,4 to prevent tech hit

Off of d/f1,4:

Do:

b+2,4,1 if you are slightly to your left or off a low kick parry

1,1,1, f+2 to take to wall
1,1,1, d/f4,4 to prevent tech
df+1,2 if you are a lazy ass

if you can’t do d/f 2 CH to launching EWGF (like everyone who is not korean)

Do:

d/f+2 CH, sidestep left, dEWGF, b+2,4,1 for most damage
d/f+2 CH, 3,1, d/f1,2 if you are lazy
d/f+2 CH, 3,1, 1, 1, f+2 to take to wall
end combo above w/ d/f4,4 instead of f+2 if you want to prevent tech
d/f+2 CH, uf+4,4,4,4 if you are a handicapped person.

There is your basic kaz combo tutorial of stuff I prefer doing. I gave up on d/f 2 CH into launch EWGF cuz I get it one in 10 tries and I don’t even know what I did differently.

Can anyone start discussing Jin in here? I can’t find shit useful at TZ. What are his Natural combos and Natural Combos on counter? What are people doing about his low problem?

-CynIcaL

TZ Jin forum sucks, but it’s not like a previously unrelated topic on a 2d site is much better, lol. It’d be nice if individual threads started popping up.

Well damn Zig, help me out.

-Syn
(I was kinda looking in your direction, you living piece of frame data)

S. Korea Isu theme park: tournament result

1st Knee/Bryan

2nd HoleMan/Raven

3rd(shared) KidJin/Devil Jin, Narac Hof/Paul

Isu tourney vids are coming soon on IDISK.

Tekken 5 tier list.

Rank S

Feng, Devil Jin, Heihachi, Bryan, Steve, Raven, Law

Rank A

Kazuya, Roger Jr., Hwoarang, Nina, Julia, Wang, Xiaoyu, Bruce

Rank B

Lei, Paul, Anna, Jack-5, King, Jin, Marduk, Christie/Eddy, Asuka, Ganryu, Yoshimitsu, Lee, Baek

Rank C

Kuma/Panda

Videos will be on IDISK soon on tekkencentral

Heh, if you think the TZ Jin forum sucks, then take a look at the TZ Devil Jin forum. I saw someone in there goin “I pick Devil Jin because I like doin lasers!” Oh lord.

And a Devil Jin player placed 3rd in a Korean tourney? Bomb. I wonder if KidJin is the DJ player from the Korean 3v3 vids.

Devil Jin is like a turtly Kazuya. What is there to discuss about him, BDC to cause whiff, EWGF and if you hit them remotely near the wall, they lose 70%, if not 50%. Then wavedash over and start the complex mixup game of CD into b+1 or CD into a throw. If either option fails, back to BDC. To play DJ, you must learn to not press forward on the joystick unless out of necessity.

I mean his poke game is generic Mishima, d/f or WS 4, d/f 1, ff 2, WS 1 2, WS 2, and “well placed” EWGF. Devil Jin has to have the least number of low moves in the game. He has HS and CD D/F 3 and the generic ones.

I wish I knew frame data. :xeye:

Gotta get my hands on the Japanese guide.

THANK YOU. Go to tz.com. Seriously, you won’t find a single post as consise and to the point cheesemaster’s Kaz writeup. If it’s there, I definately haven’t found it as everything is buried under OMG! EWGFx6!!! ws+2, 100 damage! posts.

We should start making some character specific threads actually. Newbie questions ok, but I have a bad feeling the threads here will end up with as much clutter and nonsense as any other internet game forum though. Need a mod that’s not afraid to just outright delete the troll and useless posts.

Do mods even exist on these forums? :confused:

Meh, I’ll start a Jin thread.

-Syn
(though my instincts collectively veto that decision)

swap ling and Hwoarang and your list is real close

Jesus, let it die.

tiers are not only not THAT important in this game, but tiers are different in every area. no one should really disagree with other peoples’ tiers because tiers are just as good as opinions in this game and not fact. Cali is top of the crop, and there are no raven players here. I havent really heard of any top Raven players in te states actually. he is not on the general US top tier list. yet in Korea there are just as many Raven players as there are Nina players in the US. alot of their Raven players would mop the floor with me, you and your family using our “top tier” characters. alot of them use Asuka also. and Im sorry in my opinion that bitch sucks but Ive seen her kill alot of characters that are above her on the tier list. at first I had my own list of tiers but not anymore. skill prevails tier in this game by a landslide, unlike alot of Capcom games.

yeah, soo is right on this one, im surprised there are no top top raven players in california cuz that guy is hella good. just cuz he is unsafe on block maybe thats why people don’t play him, but damn his mixups on wakeup are stupid like 3s makoto, one knockdown could equal half life or more, his triple knees into wall splash aren’t even that hard to do with practice. i hope unconkable does good at nationals with him.

and yeah asuka, that bitch sucks she has to turtle and wait for openings since she’s primarily a punishing character, well not suck but definitely low tier at high level play where people can see her stuff coming, but she has simple tricks for wakeup to win. i beat some decent steves and ninas with her.

i think all his past posts whether he’s talking about korean or not have the central meaning that tiers don’t matter in tekken as much as sf.

the only good raven in california that i know of is 725 and he quit raven for steve. well… he was steve since tekken 4, but he went back to steve hardcore. im sure that his raven can beat 95% of cali. but i havent seen him play in a while.

I think there’s tiers based on it being easier to win with that character. But of course you need skill.

Honestly though. It’d be easier to win with Nina than Lei. Not as easy as say Sent to Colossus or Chun to Sean, but it is easier.

IMO. Tiers in T5 are like in ST. Everyone can compete.

Except Lei. I think he’s a piece of shit.

Law can fight steve pretty well and so can Paul and Raven.

its so funny how tiers differ region to region. Well as a general tier list this is probably one of the most accurate lists.

Best: Steve
Top tier
Nina
Bryan
Feng
(in no particular order)

Upper Mid (in no particular order)
Raven
Law
Hwoarang
Kazuya
Devil Jin

Mid-Middle (in no particular order)
Ling
Wang
King
Christie
Ganryu
Bruce
Paul
Asuka
Baek
Jin
Yoshimitsu
Marduk
Roger
Julia
(the middle tier is still jumbled which is universally accepted)

Low tier (in no particular order)
Anna
Lee
Lei
Kuma/Panda
Jack-5

Does anyone here know any good basic Steve strats? I’m uber noob, just to let you know.

jin is toptier, christie is toptier, paul is toptier. money matches anybody?