no i dont consider that a major.
bronson.
Main reasons being (and this is NOT taking into account his weeknesses).
Fast knee
acid storm is a good punisher
1,2,4 is a good punisher
d/f+2 crushes high
He can get you to the wall even from far away and his wall damage is very good
HMS is really good for evading moves. HMS is so good but a lot of people use it incorrectly.
Good setup and SS game.
Just very good damage in general and a good varitey of moves and strats.
Some other stuff, I just don’t know that much about him but have played against Lee a few hundred times in DR already.
Well anyway there’s a decent sized tournament up in Milwaukee, and a Lee player from Chicago is coming up. We’re gonna take vids of every match. So we’ll see how that goes. I just like Lee a lot even though I don’t use him. I think juila isn’t that great because you have to use her unsafe stuff to do damage. Xiaoyu isn’t that great because she doesn’t do a lot of damage, and AOP can be hit out of by even more stuff.
agreed, but DR ling is still the best ling, unlike against most characters where you can just play your own game, when you play a good ling player, you better know her as well as the player using her…
Fuck, I was going to get back into T5 with Xiaoyu.
So would it be a waste of time to start to learn with her agian? I mean, I don’t care about tiers or favorites, I’ve just always used Xiaoyu(as a main I mean).
^^^^^^^^^^TRUTH
This has been true since T3 people. If you’re playing a Ling player that knows ANYTHING, you’ll have to play a completely different game just to keep up with her. Ling can easily make you look like a scrub if you don’t know how to handle playing against her.
I think it was said in the past that she’s everyone’s worst matchup, and vice versa, everyone is her worst matchup. A lot of the moves that hit her out of AOP can be beaten by at least one move out of AOP, and the same with her BT crap. However, those moves that beat the normal retaliation move from AOP can be punished by something else. It’s a dirty guessing game. Add in her frametraps and stupidly good evasion moves, and in good hands she’s a headache.
No no, she’s very much worth learning again. She hasn’t changed per-se, she just got additional tools to make her even more of an annoyance. You just need to have great situational awareness with her.
Don’t be discouraged from using ANY character in DR. Everyone has a fighting chance.
lies!
cough cough excuse me
http://www.tekken-official.jp/top.html
There’s new screens up, more importantly snapshots of the extended intro.
If you dont care about tiers, stick with ling. Definitely not top but still a great character… and annoying as fuck to fight against.
It official: At my Tilt, about 90% of the playes use Steve and Lili, and NOBODY uses Mishimas. I guess they’re too hard to use here, or people just plain don’t like them. I’m trying to learn Dragonuv now, but when I want to get serious, I play either Law or Wang. Also, how the hell did Jack 5 go from top tier to mid/lower-mid tier? Explain…
EDIT: Also, how the hell did Armor King drop to low tier?
Once you start seeing AKing’s shit, he’s easy to lock down. He has only one mid launcher outside of “JFDU”, and he has little to no pressure strings.
As for J-5, he still has the same problems he had before, it’s hard for him to keep some people off of him. If he gets the opponent hesitating, then he’s good, but once the shoe’s on the other foot… It also doesn’t help that practically every move he has is punishable. lol
I’m thinking about dropping Aking and Duk for Kaz. Opinions? Advice?
I wouldn’t drop the Duk. He’s a force to be reckoned with. Now what made you think about dropping these characters for Kaz? Any problems you had using them?
Nah, I guess dropping Aking and Duk isn’t a good idea, but I would like to start learning Kaz though. Doing DUs with Aking is quite fun, but why settle for his replica WGF, when I can go for the real deal in Kaz?
That and I played quite a bit of Kaz in T4.
kaz is awesome in DR… but you have to be at the top of your game. as most people know, mishimas are hard to use well.
I still don’t see Lee as any kind of a good char, but I guess I haven’t seen one yet. I don’t see what he has that other chars can’t do better. He really has to work for damage
No vids. 
Ah well maybe next time.
i just wrote a real long post on lee’s and some setups, but the page went back and it’s gone.
if you wanan pick up lee, just start by doing random d,db+4, CH ff+4, uf+4. people who never played against him b4 will get hit by these moves. then just knuckle, jab to wall (b+1~1~f, 1) or jabs (1,2~f) into wall, once you get near wall do f,f n+3,4,d+4 if you wanna be safe and can’t judge the distance, or 4,3,4 which does a bit more damage but has more room for error.
also punish everything with 1,2,4, or uf+4.
That doesn’t answer the question of why lee is even mid. What can he do that others can’t? Overall, to me, he’s a weak poking char who has to depend on mistakes for wins.