Tech Talk Shoot'em Up (Pro)Gear - arcade parts for bullet dodging

[Fists.Of.Fury.187]

Dell Ultrasharp U2312HM - IPS panel, stand rotates (only one way though, so that might be a problem), input lag measured at 1.1ms, awesome price. Only minor quibble is no native HDMI input, but HDMI -> DVI cables/adapters are practically free these days. Honestly, I’d just use VGA out of your 360 anyway. Here’s a thread discussing it on the Shmups forums.

Re: Dodonpachi - Mine should be in the post this week. Can’t wait!

thnx for the advice, unfortunately its not readily available in canada except from the official dell website for which it is $300!

[d3v]

From what I understood, mechanically the LS-56 and LS-58 are the same mechanically. The LS-58 has a medium instead of a heavy spring.
But that isn’t hard to change. Both sticks use many of the same parts as you can see here, courtesy of B15 LS 58 01 Thread and Questions

The huge difference comes in the shaft cover and dust washer. I not sure why the mount height is off on the LS-58 with the SS mount plate.

The height is off with the SS plate because it mounts the LS-58 higher than a flat mounting plate. Maybe it’s useful for some people who think the height of the shaft is too short?

I believe this is because the LS-58 is meant to mount at the same height as a JLF using a P-40 plate.

[mistahsnart]

I took advantage of the free shipping over on Focus Attack and ordered an LS-56. Hoping they start stocking the LS-40 and LS-58 at some point. Let the gamut of Seimitsu stick testing begin…

[wiseless]

I took advantage of the free shipping over on Focus Attack and ordered an LS-56. Hoping they start stocking the LS-40 and LS-58 at some point. Let the gamut of Seimitsu stick testing begin…

And they should get the LS-33. I’d order all my junk for my next stick from them, but since I want a LS-33 and I want to get parts from a single seller to save on shipping…

[Darksakul]

I believe this is because the LS-58 is meant to mount at the same height as a JLF using a P-40 plate.

Make sense, Sanwa starts a new line of buttons to compete with Seimtsu’s clear buttons, so Seimtsu stepped up the game and come out with a new stick.

[mistahsnart]

And they should get the LS-33. I’d order all my junk for my next stick from them, but since I want a LS-33 and I want to get parts from a single seller to save on shipping…

Best thing to do is let Jaleel over there know. I’ve been on him for months about stocking PS-14-Gs and LS-40s. They’re still youngish, so right now they’re stocking items that sell well so they don’t have a bunch of money tied up in dust collectors. Maybe if a bunch of us got them to make a pre-paid bulk order so they didn’t have to sit on stock? Focus Attack is my store of choice and I’d love to give them all my business.

[wiseless]

Done on their thread.

[tech7]

I believe this is because the LS-58 is meant to mount at the same height as a JLF using a P-40 plate.

I’m a little confused here. The P-40 plate and MS plate are both flat so they’ll mount the LS-58 at the same height in a stick with a universal bracket. Do you mean the S-plate for the LS-56/58 will mount the stick at roughly the same height as a JLF?

[d3v]

I’m a little confused here. The P-40 plate and MS plate are both flat so they’ll mount the LS-58 at the same height in a stick with a universal bracket. Do you mean the S-plate for the LS-56/58 will mount the stick at roughly the same height as a JLF?

Different screw holes. IIRC, the P-40 plate’s screw holes line up better with mounting brackets meant for Sanwa P1 plates.

[jdm714]

From what I understood, mechanically the LS-56 and LS-58 are the same mechanically. The LS-58 has a medium instead of a heavy spring.
But that isn’t hard to change. Both sticks use many of the same parts as you can see here, courtesy of B15 LS 58 01 Thread and Questions

The huge difference comes in the shaft cover and dust washer. I not sure why the mount height is off on the LS-58 with the SS mount plate.

Because to get the standard height, a Mounting Plate that is flat is supposed to be used.
Like a LS-55-01 and LS-56-01, the LS-58-01 follows same.

LS-58-01 is based off the LS-56-01, so I don’t know how b15sdm did not know that.
To mount the LS-58-01 will use a Mounting Plate that is flat.

I believe this is because the LS-58 is meant to mount at the same height as a JLF using a P-40 plate.

The promotional advertisement flyer showed LS-58-01 using the P-40 Mounting Plate, yes.

We also know that the LS-55-01 and LS-56-01 have interchangeable MS and VF Mounting Plates.
We also know that the LS-58-01 is based of LS-56-01, so it goes that the MS and VF Mounting Plate can use also.

There exists an S-shape Mounting Plate for LS-58-01.
SS Mounting Plate, but not the same SS Mounting Plate as LS-32-01.
The SS Mounting Plate for LS-58-01 is just like the SS Mounting Plate for LS-32-01.
The difference is that the distanced screw holes for LS-58-01 is 10mm shorter than for LS-32-01.

Yes, the MS and VF and P-40 is 10mm shorter distanced also.
It is only way to fit on LS-33 and LS-55 and LS-56 and LS-58.

That is why those three Joysticks are known as Compact.

When order LS-58-01 from Seimitsu, there are four type to choose from.
LS-58-01-XX-VF (VF Mounting Plate)
LS-58-01-XX-MS (MS Mounting Plate)
LS-58-01-XX-SE (Seimitsu Mounting Plate P-40)
LS-58-01-XX-SS (SS Mounting Plate P-40)

XX being the color of Shaft Cover and Ball.

Because the [40] in P-40 means 40mm instead of 50mm.
40mm being the 10mm shorter than 50mm.

And there already exists a regular Seimitsu Mounting Plate (RE).
And there already exists a regular SS Mounting Plate (SE).
So the P-40 is added at the end.
Seimitsu say so.

I’m a little confused here. The P-40 plate and MS plate are both flat so they’ll mount the LS-58 at the same height in a stick with a universal bracket. Do you mean the S-plate for the LS-56/58 will mount the stick at roughly the same height as a JLF?

No, the SS Mounting Plate will mount the Joystick 6mm higher than JLF.

[d3v]

When order LS-58-01 from Seimitsu, there are four type to choose from.
LS-58-01-XX-VF (VF Mounting Plate)
LS-58-01-XX-MS (MS Mounting Plate)
LS-58-01-XX-SE (P-40 Mounting Plate)
LS-58-01-XX-SS (SS Mounting Plate)

Some of us don’t have the luxury of ordering direct from Seimitsu.

[jdm714]

That is why b15sdm got Dicked.
Gremlin Solutions only has the LS-58-01 with SS P-40.
When he needed a Seimitsu P-40 or the MS Mounting Plate.

[d3v]

That is why b15sdm got Dicked.
Gremlin Solutions only has the LS-58-01 with SS P-40.
When he needed a Seimitsu P-40 or the MS Mounting Plate.

You mean they gave him 8 buttons with his LS-58?

[tech7]

No, the SS Mounting Plate will mount the Joystick 6mm higher than JLF.

Correct, I remember b15sdm showing the pictures in the LS-58 thread. I was just confused earlier on what d3v mentioned and I thought he meant to say the SS plate. I get what he meant, now. =D

[emphatic]

I’m still confused. Does the SS plate (standard plate for LS-32-01’s) holes’ line up with the holes on the LS-58-01? As the design for the LS-58 is based on the LS-56, I assumed the holes on the stick base would be the same, and IIRC, the LS-56 and LS-32 plates won’t mix and match.

I just ordered an LS-56 myself to see if it’s better for shmups than the good ol’ LS-32, but I have no idea if I’ll be able to mount it without getting extra plates.

[jdm714]

LS-32(-01) and LS-40(-01) have 50mm spacing for the holes.
LS-33 and LS-55(-01) and LS-56(-01) and LS-58-01 have 40mm spacing.

The Mounting Plate of a Regular will not fit the Compact.
I mentioned the size difference in my Post above.

There are two S-shape Mounting Plates from Seimitsu.
SS Mounting Plate for Regular Joystick.
SS Mounting Plate P-40 for Compact.

[mistahsnart]

I just ordered an LS-56 myself to see if it’s better for shmups than the good ol’ LS-32, but I have no idea if I’ll be able to mount it without getting extra plates.

Depends on where you get it from: the ones Focus Attack stock come with an MS plate, but I’ve seen some places stock them with a VF plate.

[mistahsnart]

My LS-56 arrived today!

Sadly, it was damaged in transit :eek:

PCB got banged up in the box. There was a few huge gouges inside the box where the solder point got whacked. Broke the solder off the board and took the trace with it. I’ve got an email into Focus Attack support to see about getting a new PCB.

I can report though that I think I’m going to like this stick. Noticeably heavier spring, super short engage, bit of travel. Still has the same deadzone wobble problem as any other Seimitsu stick, but at least this thing doesn’t gate jump like an LS-32. Best analogy I can make: it feels like a miniature, more precise Happ. Obviously, once I’m able to actually play on it rather than just click it around in my palm I’ll be able to do a proper review.

Man… between my fresh off the line Toodles SLG having massive issues and now this, it just isn’t my week for gaming gear.

[EDIT]
Focus Attack is sending me a new stick, once again proving why I love doing business with them. Now I’m 1 for 2 this week.

[mistahsnart]

Seimitsu LS-56-01. Preliminary impression: I think I’ve found a new favorite stick. Although the deadzone wobble is about the same as an LS-32, it feels much more pronounced on this stick because you’re up against a much heavier spring. That being said though, I really, REALLY, enjoying using this stick. It’s like a perfect marriage between Japanese and American stick styles. I even ran it through a few fighters, and found I liked it for them as well (although the solid feel of JLF movements is hard to beat). Next up; get my hands on an LS-40.

Oh, and this may be one for Emphatic: Suzo 500 in a TE? From all your writings, everything I love about this stick is amplified to the nth degree with a Suzo. I must find out for myself.

[Darksakul]

Finally got around to trying out my LS-56-01 installed on a Sega hss-0136 Arcade stick on a few shmup games.As I just got the Sega Saturn to Dual-mod MC Cthulhu and Xbox 360 TE PCB Converter Gummo sent me.
I actually played better with the LS-56 over the JLF.

I might go ahead and put an LS-56 in other sticks next.
Also in case your wondering my Sega HSS-0136 is full Seimtsu now.