I havent played with scout since the big changes, but I’m turned off since they took bonk’s only usefulness away: bonking ubers. Fuckin bullshit.
Wait you dont have prem…can you wear a 160x90?
You can request the tf2 av offically in my IMM thread:
http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?p=7617317#post7617317
Geese, i have you down for medic but let me know…not sure if you were officially requesting.
Wait…does BONK mean the Sandman or the Bonk Atomic Punch? Cuz the Sandman is absolutely beastly.
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Sandman is still very useful in many situations, even if it can’t stagger ubered people.
It may have some useful points to it yes, but if it was 100% useful before, it’s now at about 30%
Iunno what maps you’re playing, but on everything except for Arena, it seems better than the regular bat. Whether it’s lobbing a ball at a crowd on a point or throwing one at some douchebag snipers on the upper level of 2Fort.
I went into that thread to request Scout. So dibs yes?
As far as most useless unlockable weapon? It’s supposed to be Razorback, but I use it whenever I play in public servers because spies don’t use their revolver/ambassador for whatever reason. It’s like they decide to be one-dimensional. Otherwise I use Jarate.
Bonk! is good in vs Sentry situations and you want to stay Scout and save your team’s uber. Keyword is team. If no one is there to help you out, then of course the weapon will be useless.
Natascha is another teamwork weapon, though not as reliant as Bonk! obviously. The -25% damage loss is huge. With the way the slow effect works, it’s not as noticeable and therefore effective when hitting retreating classes that are not Scout/Medic. I prefer Sasha honestly.
Backburner is definitely a frontrunner in this category too, and even that can see some use… as long as they don’t see you. Not just from behind, I mean at all especially since he’s not as well equipped to flank like the Scout and Spy.
Backburner can fuck bitches up, though, in caves. If you’re playing as a pyro, and you’re looking to thin out people attacking the second point in Dustbowl, the backburner absolutely tears people up, and the trade-off is fine, since the compression blast is 95% useless in caves. Also works when you wait outside a door, tucked around a corner and you can wait on some smart-ass heavy to come barrelling out without the sense to check around first. As with the other back-seat weapons, they’re situational…but the Backburner, IMO, has more than a few situations.
I really miss the +50hp trait on the backburner. Flank-Tank Pyro was fun to play. In all honesty, I think the only reason people complained about it to begin with was that they knew pub pyros would never use the compression blast, and they hated the idea of a W+M1 Pyro that was a tiny bit harder to kill.
Bonk! is good on pubs since players end up wating amoo trying to shoot them…like when I ask people to just run against ubers to conserve ammo.
You still have to get behind them. All the credit if you can manage that, no matter where the action is taking place.
With the +50HP people could indeed, seriously tank while W+M1’ing. The problem was that it was not what the weapon was designed for. It was more for ambushing from behind, and Valve had attempted to reward players with the +50HP for taking this risk. However, all you ended up seeing was Pyros abusing this attribute in direct combat.
I really couldn’t ever see using Bonk instead of the pistol. The pistol is soooo good for like 80% of a scout’s fights. Run right past them with 1-2 scatter shots and then turn around while back pedalling and finish them off with the pistol. Works wonders.
I absolutely hate the Sandman too. I didn’t even like it when it could stagger ubers (although granted it had a real application then) because it took away the double jump. Now that it can’t stagger ubers and it takes -30 hp instead I think the weapon is absolutely garbage. It is cool that I one-hit kill 80% of Scouts now.
But really I don’t get the same amount of success from the unlocks in general as I do with the vanilla items. I play vanilla scout, spy, and heavy (except for kgb). The only classes that get to use updates on my account are Medic with blutsauger and ubersaw and pyro with axtinguisher and flare gun. I don’t even use the ambassador.
Idk if you play scrub servers or what, but i main the sourceOP servers and there aren’t many noobs to take out with the now useless sandman bonk. The ONLY improvement i think they did was they reduced damage reduction after being bonked. But seriously, idk how you could take that weapon when you lose health on the already low scout and it don’t hit ubers no more.
You kidding? Razor is nice, unless they did something to it now i dont know about. It always scared spies off around me, coarse some still try to ambass you in the head. Better than being backstabbed where you have no chance.
Bonk i used for achievement that’s it. But ya i would imagine it’s great for sentrys and intel as i’ve seen it done. BUT…you need a team behind you when you start slowing or you’re fucked.
Backburner…fucking noob weapon. Hate it. If you don’t utilize all the great abilities of the compression blast, you suck.
I put you down for scout.
My beef with the razorback is that it is basically against a specific unit…and Pyro compression blast for the win.
Here’s some discussion…which class fo far do you think benefited the most from their secondary weapons?
Medic, no question. They’re the only class to be given unlocks that are more or less strictly better than their counterparts. Blutsauger and Ubersaw are too good.
Ya medic, then i wouldve gone spy easily if they hadnt nerfed ambassador. It was so gdlk for awhile, that i stopped backstabbing and just ran around hs people to death cuz of all my cs run and gun hs exp >:)
The Backburner feels naked. I can respect people who use it, because yeah, I can see you’re trying to play Pyro like it was meant to be played. But the normal flamethrower is pretty much a super-weapon. It turns the Pyro into Offensive, Defensive, and Support, all at the same time. And the thing is, I can’t even think of how to make the Backburner a worthwhile alternative.
Medic. The Spy is now a bigger pain in the ass, too.
Backburner is better when you are ubered imo, but that’s about it. Otherwise, id easily take compression. There’s so many uses for it.
Like I’ll use this that I don’t see many do:
Flame, compression, start blasting with shotgun OR run in with fireaxe.
BTW, my immaculate repping power just gave you 5 bars of green.
How? Primary > Secondary all around for Pyro.
Where are people playing? I normally run with stompfest servers…
What?
Axetinguisher is great…especially on slower classes and defense.