Getting it on release day. Been waiting a while for it to come out. The thing about Korean MMOs is that if you can get through the grind they are almost universally better than other offerings.
Also, to Mike, TERA actually does play similarly to Monster Hunter in many ways. It’s probably the closest thing to a Monster Hunter game with real online we will ever get in the west.
LOL Sonya has a dive kick. AND it’s technically a special move, so she has an EX-Dive kick.
Liu Kang’s X-Ray lets him juggle afterwards, I got a bicycle kick off of it for free. :karate:
I don’t want to exploit shitty gameplay. I don’t feel like I won if I slide antiair you then dhc glitch you to death. No skill ass combos. I could learn every combo that has come out in less than a day. The learning curve is shit. Marvel2 was great because skill was required to maximize combos/damage and wins. Marvel3 is like here lets see who gets the first hit with their shitty hit boxes, then they can kill of the other guys first two characters…then the solo character can xfactor and lets see if he can wipe out the whole team.
I’m not going to force myself to play 3 because I loved 2. Its terrible.
thanks…
You’re welcome?
See, I can say the same thing about Marvel 2. Standard Storm/Sent/Cable/Mag combos are not hard. I don’t do them because I don’t care to…I’m fine playing Sent/Cable like I do and getting an occasional win, I have never really had a desire to be better. On the one hand, sure I’m telling the truth…but on the other, I sound like a scrub because I’m simply saying “Yeah I can do everything, I just don’t want to.”
This, pretty much. I played a team that was basically gimped versions of top tiers + Doom (Cammy/Doom/SonSon) because winning with short -> short + Psylocke or a random double snap didn’t seem that fun. Yes, unfly combos with Sent and Doom were kind of tricky, but how hard was it to do ROM, AHVB xN, or Hypergrav xx Tempest DHC HSF?
I can’t say much because I’m using Wesker and Spencer, I know. Wesker with his dumb hitboxes and THAT GUN, and Spencer with the “things that would normally be safe but aren’t anymore” super. Most characters still require some skill, but there’s just less time to display it because people die so goddamned fast in this game (not a fan of the damage).
It’s too bad that this can’t be like the KoF series, or ST, where we can just say fuck the new games and get down on MvC2.
No you misunderstand.
When I say I don’t want to exploit shitty game play I mean. It doesn’t make any sense to acknowledge that the game is fucked and then use the fuckedness to win. I’d rather just play a game thats not fucked. MvC2 isn’t fucked IMO and even though most of the cast is useless, it took a LONG time to make it that way.
The point I was making is that no amount of skill or combos is going to make this game seem any better. I can do more damaging combos, but thats not me out thinking you. I can land a random hit with xfactor for a kill so why learn better combos? It was broke out the box. Instead of trying to make a viable sequel they raped skill factor, made it scrub friendly and prettier. Yeah you can whore out the scrubbery but does that mean you out thought someone? Ask Flash or Sanford or Clockwork or damn near anyone who played both games.
And Ron you can say whatever you want I wasn’t asking for opinions. The only top tier strat in MvC2 that I recall you even attempting Ron was a triple ahvb and that shit would be equivalent to maybe a Bionic Arm KFC Bionic Arm? except oh wait Bionic arm can be made safe so the learning curve goes straight down the toilet and it requires no actual risk. That is what this game boils down too.
Rush down is a joke its mad slow and only becomes frustrating when the fucked hitboxes hit from behind. Maybe a hi/lo unblockable which seldom works.
The zone is shit because every character has some gimmick to get around with(except poor haggar, lol, its like they said “wow this character is terrible even for this game…lets give him a real broke assist”).
I could go on forever about the lacking qualities of this game but it really is irrelevant. I’m over it. Bang your head against a wall if you like.
All I’m saying is, if you think MK9 (or any other game that ever comes out) is going to magically feel the same to you playing it now as your nostalgic memories of the mvc2 glory days and the ten years of evolution of gameplay it had, you’re going to be quite disappointed.
Games that come out now to people like us that have played the older games to death, are not going to seem as good if you compare them in the way you are comparing here. If you put yourself back at the point you were at when you started playing mvc2, except it was mvc3 instead, I really think you would not be of the same opinion as you are now. I feel like the stuff you don’t understand in this game, you are just passing off as crappy or that you don’t care to understand it because its dumb, just because its not the same as the games you are used to or already good at. There are plenty of things that someone other than me or you who understand mvc2 a lot, could see happen in MvC2 and go, man that is stupid, why does that happen. But we understand why it happens and we have accepted it and implemented that understanding into our gameply. Mvc3 is the same, its just you are deciding not to accept the stuff or adapt or learn how to use it, instead you’re just saying “based on my opinion of how fighting games should work (mvc2 experience etc.) that should not have hit me. this game is dumb, i quit!”
That isn’t to say that they are equal level games, (i’m honestly of the opinion MvC2 is a better game, not going to lie) but the point is we are jaded in a way now. We have played the FRICK out of fighting games, and we are able to judge them on such a ridiculous level if we want. You can’t really say “these combos are all easy this game takes no skill” without realizing you are at least a little bit influenced by the fact that you’ve played marvel 2 for years and honed your execution to the point stuff like this isn’t going to be hard. If we look back at fast flies, rom infinites, etc., stuff that took us a lot of practice, sure it seemed much harder. Heck maybe it really is! But, I don’t think a game can come out with something so hard to do I won’t be able to do it after a few days of practice now. Maybe i’m wrong about this I’d love to be shown that I am, but I think we’ve played games enough that people like us are going to be able to do everything when everything is readily posted on the internet the day its discovered.
I will say , though, that I can admit to a certain level of scrub-friendliness in this game, at least more than in games that came out around the mvc2/3s era. But man, I just think thats what they’re doing now. And regardless, the skilled players will adapt and find a way to consistently beat the scrubs. I think in this game the gap is not as easy to see, and scrubs may even think they’re on the same level, but when it comes down to it the skilled players will win out more often than they lose on a pretty large scale.
**TLDR VERSION **: No new games are going to be good if you expect them to match this image you’ve created of the way fighting games should be based on the way they used to be (cvs2, mvc2, etc.) This might not be news to you and you may have accepted it, and that is fine as long as you’re fine not being competitive in new games. Frick we are getting pretty old. But, I personally still want to be competitive in all games, and I’m adapting to what I have to in order to beat scrubs and show them what being good means.
p.s. i’ll still play you in mortal kombat, I called shang tsung first, no stealies.
I bet your keyboard was loud as fuck when you were hammering that long ass post out. Blue Mech keys ftw!
Yea what i boils down to is realizing this is how all the new games are gonna be, but frick man its not like its a new way of thinking because ever since SFIV vanilla in 2009 its been like this. You either adapt and play the new games even with all the scrub friendly stuff or you just quit, go home and be a family man.
Boiled down even further: Games are meant to be fun, and if you don’t find it fun don’t play it!
Logan: MK tomorrow? And how you gonna say “no stealsies” on the guy that steals everyone else’s moves 
(reply to Logan)
It’s a stupid, though…even if things are easy, nobody here has the execution to make that relevant. For example, Andy would drop short, short, fierce with Rufus allll the time in SFIV, despite these years of MvC2 that have apparently made him godlike. Even in easy mode Marvel 3 stuff gets dropped all the time by everyone. I consider my execution to be pretty above average, but I still drop stuff all the time.
And there’s already consistency in MvC3…look on the West Coast, JWong + Floe are clearly better than everyone else there, in NYC Marlin Pie and Chris G are winning everything, and even in this town it’s pretty clear that Me+Logan+Crespo > Everyone else (and there are multiple tiers below us but I don’t wanna hurt any feelings). Yeah random stuff still happens, and yeah it’s a good bit more often than pretty much every game…but frick just like Logan I love winning and as long as there are people to beat, I’m going to beat them no matter what the game (except Tekken and maybe MK…).
Whether or not Andy likes a game doesn’t really matter. There hasn’t been an Andy-approved game other than Tekken 6 since I’ve joined this scene. But damnit some of these reasons are just insane to me! Plus Andy is the man so it’d be great if he played with the rest of us!
Hearing/reading this, no matter who says it, always makes me feel like I haven’t truly leveled up. The tactics/characters/combos I use/do are cheap/scrubby/hurrtoptierdurr and you all will figure out how to deal with it and I’ll be back on square one while you’ve all developed a good team with a strong fundamental grasp of the system and your characters.
When I beat Adonis, Andy, Mike G, and ALMOST beat Crespo in Grand Finals Saturday (3/2 last set!), I don’t feel like I earned those and I’m just using stupid gimmicks that they fell for enough to lose 6/9 characters. Especially since Mike was frustrated with the way the Final 4 was handled, and he usually bodies me. I honestly felt bad for every win, but it’s a tournament so I’m going to play my hardest/gayest/gimmickiest.
How was the final 4 handled??
I’m not 100% on the distraction, but I think it was this
I was letting a friend use my phone to make a call, and he had handed it back to me and I put it in my pocket. Mike G and I had to play our first set for the Final 4, while Chris A and Crespo played theirs. In the middle of the first game, Mike G took a decent chunk of my first character when i got a phone call, handed it to my friend and said to “just hold on to it, fuck”. Drew called for a match reset since I was distracted? (not sure, Drew could you clarify?) There was also a change to the set count, from 2/3 to 3/5 for these last sets. Since these weren’t Winners/Losers/Grand Finals, the unorthodox choice to change the set count like that was frustrating too, especially since the Chris v Chris match ended 2-1 when we started playing Winner’s finals, I stopped our set midmatch in order for them to finish a 3/5 set, finished my combo, and continued our set. All in all, the organization of the end of the event was wonky.
Actually, when you let go of your stick because your phone was ringing in your pocket, I paused the game because: a) I was in the middle of a combo and didn’t want to drop it and b) out of respect for you because you literally weren’t touching the controls for a bit. We went back to start and Drew said to start over and you didn’t argue (I can’t blame you, about to lose a character, I wouldn’t have either). I was already annoyed with that, but then later when you stopped a match mid-game, there was no similar ruling at all. It was pretty fucked up the way it all went down. Would it have had an effect on our rankings? Can’t really say, but it just left a bad taste in my mouth after the whole thing was over.
The change to 3/5 was made pretty fast after I said something (“Shouldn’t these be 3/5?”) and I figured Drew was going to let the others know since they were, after all, right next to us. I felt bad for Chris when he had me at 2-0 and I had to be the one to say that he hadn’t won yet because he didn’t know it was 3/5.
I love the tenacity in these post.
I will continue to enjoy beating on folks w/o Wesker and Magneto. Mainly cause it feels good to beat on the folks using the best in the cast. 
You guys can sleep on my team if you want too. :lol:
Im down for games tonight and i have tomorrow off. The aforementioned ‘best in town’ At your convienence i would like ft10s when your available.
First off,
I would like to apologize for the wonkiness near the end of the tournament, i wasn’t exactly thinking clearly due to fatigue/sickness (i was there since 10 setting up) I tried to run the tournament to the best of my ability.
The reason I called for the reset was exactly that, there was a distraction caused by a third party and I tried to be fair, next time Ill be sure to just let it slide.
As far as Chris & Crespo’s match go, i thought they heard me when i switched to 3/5s (which btw i only did cause i kept hearing complaining about it). I should have followed up with them about it.
My original intention was to run a regular bracket after pools for the final four. First round was 2/3 then you would have one round of losers 2/3 winners finals, losers finals and then grand finals, all of which would have been 3/5. Because i kept hearing everyone complain about that.
Anyway, all in all, its logged away for the next tournament that I run, (If im able to stay up here that is) Ill be sure that clarification is done much longer in advance.
Thanks for clearing it up for me. I get in this zone in tournaments where I can’t remember a damn thing unless it was a match related, and even then, my memory is super hazy.
No, you don’t just change how a tournament is run just because you hear complaining about it. This is the second time you’ve arbitrarily changed semi’s to 3/5 in a row. Last time was at the Freecon Blazblue tournament, which probably set the precedent in Mike G’s head that Semi’s should be 3/5. (Correct me if I’m wrong Mike)
ITT Mike J announces he hits the bong before tournaments.