Taking Sagat to the next level

Classic Fighting Games Ultra Street Fighter IV
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Yeah he has options, but he doesn’t have anything in the sense that he can kinda just throw it out and not worry too much.

A shoto in the corner can jump tatsu. Bam. He’s out. And it’s not THAT risky.

Vega doesn’t have anything like that. He has wall jump but it’s no where near as good.

I say ST is a joke as a reversal. And it is. It’s easily stuffed. Sagat can stuff it with a good chunk of his normals. Sorry. I main Sagat. I talk about Claw from Sagat’s perspective. To Sagat, ST isn’t that serious. At least not in wake-up situations which is what this is about.

Also I don’t turtle. I dunno wtf you are talking about or what you heard. But let me fill you in.

I don’t even know wtf a tiger shot is. I rushdown. kthnx.

Well timed cross-up beats all that stuff you listed BTW or merely allows Vega to escape. Jump straight up? Are you serious? You would just get air reset and now Sagat has momentum. Dash forward? Again you would just end up blocking and the dash wouldn’t even come out. Ultra? Sagat would land before you hit him and then he could block and punish. Same with EX sky high claw.

Claw is pretty free on wake-up and it’s his biggest weakness.

Sorry. I’m not trying to underestimate anyone or make anyone feel like their main is bad. I’m stating facts. Everything Claw has on wake-up can be option selected.

If Claw blocks a well spaced TK he can POSSIBLY grab Sagat. It’s not free. It really depends on what Sagat does after the blocked TK.

As for things like meaty grab and such. Dude, if I ALWAYS do the SAME thing on wake-up won’t I be predictable? The meaty grab is ONE option.

You hit the nail on the head when you said Claw is gonna want to look for the backdash and reset himself. His backdash is serious business. But ultimately it merely resets the situation. It does not give Claw control over the match.

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I say ST is a joke as a reversal. And it is. It’s easily stuffed. Sagat can stuff it with a good chunk of his normals. Sorry. I main Sagat. I talk about Claw from Sagat’s perspective. To Sagat, ST isn’t that serious. At least not in wake-up situations which is what this is about.

I dont know it knocks you down and sets up some things that can knock you down again, and it hits hard. And from my experience it trades. Plus its a better reversal than most people give it credit. But with 1200 life i guess it really isnt a big deal to sagat right?

*I don’t even know wtf a tiger shot is. I rushdown. kthnx.

Well timed cross-up beats all that stuff you listed BTW or merely allows Vega to escape. Jump straight up? Are you serious? You would just get air reset and now Sagat has momentum. Dash forward? Again you would just end up blocking and the dash wouldn’t even come out. Ultra? Sagat would land before you hit him and then he could block and punish. Same with EX sky high claw.*

I was referring to a scenario in a neutral down back position, not a knock down. On knock down he is semi free the only thing he can do is back dash and reset himself on knock down or my favorite block.

If Claw blocks a well spaced TK he can POSSIBLY grab Sagat. It’s not free. It really depends on what Sagat does after the blocked TK.*

Doesnt a blocked TK leave you at -1 frame when blocked high? Ive never been TU when grabing after a TK block string.

As for things like meaty grab and such. Dude, if I ALWAYS do the SAME thing on wake-up won’t I be predictable? The meaty grab is ONE option.*

im just saying, meaty grab isnt that good of an idea on Vega at least imo, but thats why you have your mix up game and you can slip one in there, i understand that your not going to do the same thing im just telling you my opinon on meaty grab k.

You hit the nail on the head when you said Claw is gonna want to look for the backdash and reset himself. His backdash is serious business. But ultimately it merely resets the situation. It does not give Claw control over the match.

Resetting the situation does give Vega some degree of controlling what happens. It allows him to space him self and put himself in a advantageous position its not ground breaking but its an option that can win the match for Vega.

And im not trying to start any thing im just saying Vega isnt as free as you think he is once he gets knockedown. Blocking takes you real far in this game especially against option selects. I know Vega is not great, but he isnt crap neither. I wish i could play you but you have PS3 just to show you that Vega is capable and not as free as you think. chances are ill get smacked but it wont be free neither.

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A reversal not having any I frames AND costing meter = shit.

Sorry. But that’s the truth.

Sagat has 1100 health btw.

Blocked TK standing leaves Sagat at -1 when spaced. What move hits in one frame? That’s right. None. Grab isn’t free.

Everything I am talking about BTW is referring to when Vega is knocked down or in corner. You said it yourself. He is semi-free in these situations.

Blocking takes you far when you have the options to back it up. Claw does not.

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i guess

edit: yay it worked he said semi free instead of free.

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:rofl:

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Saw J. wong do something cool with sagat vs dhalsim. It was an auto correct ultra when sim teleports. Anyone figure that out yet? I assume it would be 2x QCF then when dhalsim teleports, you hit left or right (depending on where he is) then 3x kick.

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Actually…I did an OS TK vs a Sim player online a while back and I think the TK autocorrected. I think I may need to test more but this would mean that once you master OS on wake-up vs char’s with teleports you wouldn’t need to worry so much unless they have meter.

So if the TK auto corrects then ultra probably does as well.

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emblem by OS what are you refering to?

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Option Select.

Considering that you can reversal DP by just :dp: (pause for the cross up), :hp: I would have to guess it’s just

:qcf::qcf: (pause for teleport) :3k::3k::3k:

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So, we know kara DP goes through fireballs, does it go through low tiger shots? I’d assume so, just figured I’d ask. I’d put it in the Q&A thread but I don’t know if many people in there kara dp

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oh lord I feel like an Idiot now, it was late lol

@ PGL yes both kara’s will go under a low slow tiger shot. I have not tested the others, but it seems like you have to be pretty darn close and almost instinctively know its coming.

I haven’t practiced it really for more than 5 mins but I couldn’t imagine doing it to a fast tiger at zone 1-1.5 maybe 2 (thats the range I got it to work for hk kara, low kick might be a little further but not by a whole heck of a lot.

Obviously the farther out the invincible frames for TU go away and you get hit by the TS

But to answer the question briefly, yes kara TU can go under.

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Have you seen some of this guy’s other vids?

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Takes full meter but did around 80% damage to Zangief = around 960 damage O_o and is a pretty damn decent option to do in the corner considering the ultra dosen’t hit fully in the corner

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Crossup EX TK without the need for a wakeup!

Do you guys think it can be practical in a real match?

Btw guys, Kudos for all of this great info, learned alot, now only to use this in a real match :stuck_out_tongue:

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It does.

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No Kara upper cut does not go through fireball… Matter fact doesn’t go through anything… but a upper cut does…

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Sure it does. If you Kara TU someone the moment they release an FB Sagat’s invincibility allows him to completely bypass the projectile.

You can do this on reaction to Seth and Dhalsim at mid range if you are good enough. Probably Rose too. Definitely Gouken.

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Your joking right? The kara doesn’t have any invincible frame the upper cut does… EX: if You kara the tiger knee it would not go through a fireball… The upper has a invincible frame not the kara… it might look like your invincible but it’s the upper cut. Wrong timing will stop the kara before the upper cut…

Hope it make sense…

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Yes. I know. lolol. The kara gets you within range and when you TU them the projectile would phase through you since you are invincible and the game freezes when you strike someone with a reversal for a frame or 2.

If the projectile is slow or your timing is a bit off you will eat the projectile after you hit them or you may get stuffed before your TU comes out.

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hahahaha… Tad bit critical? not really LOL… The question was asked if kara uppercut go through a fireball? The correct answer is no… I was using the kara TK as an example to prove a point. But it’s cool, if you think it’s go through a fireball … that’s on you… just to let you know, it’s two moves not one… kara uppercut can be stop and tu can’t… that’s the difference… LOL…

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Stop arguing over semantics plz. Contribute something of real value or stop posting k thnx. No one in this thread is a moron. We know the step kick itself has no invincibility.

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I’ve tried the EX TK crossup on training mode, works great, just set the training dummy to crouch and c.mk > EX TK. Tried it on Ryu and the vid is done on Chun. Anyone knows if this can be done only on the guys from the crossup TK on wakeup list or on anyone from the SF IV cast?