Lol at all these excuses for not allowing one button 3p 3k. I think people on stick are just scared of losing to someone on a keyboard. So instead of losing and bitching they’d rather refuse to play.
This is a CONSOLE TOURNEY not an arcade tourney. If I join 3s I’m going to use pad and one hit instant overhead. It doesnt change the game at all. So I can do an overhead a little easier, I’m still gonna get killed. If you’re truly better than someone, a macro isn’t gonna make a difference at all. A macro doesn’t make someones execution perfect.
I don’t see why you should bother coming for a console tourney if all you are going to do is bitch out to people that actually play on console. I’m sure it’s not that hard to 3p 3k on keyboard, but ift hey are already accustomed to it, why would you ban it? It doesnt make him invincible at all. All this shit sounsd like is a bunch of mid tier players who are afraid of losing to someone on a fucking keyboard in a console tourney. If you were a good player you wouldn’t care, because you’d already know that it doesnt matter at all.
I’m not even going to attempt to be intelligent with my response to this… anyone who thinks macros should be allowed in ANY street fighter game is a fucking retard. If you’re not going to enter a tournament because there’s no macros … who gives a flying fuck?
Then why don’t we allow character switching, groove switching and super switching EDIT for winners? You can do that in versus mode, but you can’t do that at arcade. Despite the fact that console is more predominant these days, the whole point is to emulate the arcade experience AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
I don’t know about you cats, but most of us here are arcade only.
Listen, all we want is to keep the game’s integrity. This is the fucking basis of a tournament…this is why there are rules. It has nothing to do with being scared…lol…oh man that’s all you guys think is going on here?
Have you ever heard of macros being allowed at any legitimate SF tournament? Why do you think that is?
Where is your logic? I’ve been looking for it…all I hear is “you guys are just scared” and other ones that only a simplisitic mind would think has any logical path behind it (but in reality just stemming from personal needs). Seriously, can you guys even come up with one statement that actually follows the game’s design? Maybe, there’d be an actual intelligent conversation here.
By your logic, all games should allow programmable pads…
“If you were a good player you wouldn’t care, because you’d already know that it doesnt matter at all.”
:rolleyes:
WOW.
Wait…I have another one.
“If you’re truly better than someone, a macro isn’t gonna make a difference at all. A macro doesn’t make someones execution perfect.”
This makes no sense. Logically, or fairly, you’d compare two people of equal skill. Do you really think it wouldn’t make a difference then?
oh and perfection is never acheivable so why is this even brought up?
Uhh…you can do all of that if you lose. Just like in the arcade?
As for Macros being allowed at any SF tournament, here’s your answer. EVERY OTHER FUCKING TOURNEY AT T8. You guys are the only ones being complete babies over it. MvC2? Allowed. 3s? Most likely allowed. GGXX? Allowed. CvS2? Probably.
Or maybe, there was this other tourney, I dunno if you’ve ever heard of it, but hey, they allowed macros.
Qualifying Tournaments and World Finals
Evo West, Evo North, Evo South, and Evo East Qualification
The top finishers at all qualifying events will receive bye’s at the Evo World tournament, giving them a much better position to achieve a top placing.
Game Specific Rules
In addition to the rules found at the tournament rules page, the following rules shall be enforced for the games below.
General Rules (apply to all tournaments, except Super Smash Brothers Melee)
* All games will be played on the default settings, unless otherwise specified, below.
* All macros available via the in-game controller configuration menu are **allowed. **
But NOOOOOOOOO I guess XvSF IS SOOOOOOOOOO important, that It can’t have macros or we’ll Lose!
Ok I’m not going to say anything about XvSF, I know nothing about that game. But if I have anything to do with the direction of 3S (which I probably will) even the in-game macros will probably not be allowed. From a gameplay standpoint, it would be retarded for people to be able to kara throw easily with 1-button throw (kara UOH also exists for all characters), and nail EXes perfectly (mainly thinking of Yang) when even top players don’t always do those things 100%.
Ethically, in addition to what has already been said, it’s impossible to draw a line, since theoretically someone could use a stick and have the in-game macros on extra buttons, bypassing the handicap that controllers would normally have. So you have people basically butchering how the game was originally intended to be played by using a stick and macros. It’s not really about the fact that if you’re good you’ll beat those guys anyway, it’s about the principle behind this issue. People should know not to handicap themselves by learning the game on a substandard control-type, then attending a competitive event and expecting the rules to accommodate them.
This is only for 3S though. I’m aware that a lot of people play XvSF online or something. shrugs
You’re assuming everyone has equal access to an arcade and a stick in their home. Which is simply not true. As much as person might want to learn how to play in stick, in some cases, it’s impossible. (And please, don’t be gay and say they shouldn’t be playing at all.)
A console tourney is a chance that these players have been waiting for. They can finally compete and put their skills against the best. Don’t take it away from them.
Hey, someone who has some class, instead of “you’re a fucking moron” and 900 irrelevant facts.
I’d agree with you if Macros guaranteed 100% Kara’s…but they don’t. Have you tried using one button kara’s? Sometimes you get Punches, sometimes when u press the buttons at the same time, the other button will come out, it’s not like a get out of jail free card. If people want to switch to pad just so they can use kara throws and kara uohs, they’re going to be in for a shock when they realize that it’s not that much easier, even when you master it.
I don’t really get why this has to be an issue. This isn’t an arcade tourney, it’s a console tourney. Console tourneys shouldn’t have the same rules as an arcade tourney. You shouldn’t have to be forced to play on a stick, just because that’s the way the arcade does it. It’s not fair for people who actually do play on console. I’m in total agreement that if there were macros at an arcade tourney, but people should be able to play with in game macros if they play on console (or in this case keyboard).
Also Gaijinblaze, if fighting games were really meant to be used for sticks ONLY, then it wouldn’t have been on console at all. People who buy the games on console play the game on the ps2 controller or DC or wherever they buy it, it doesn’t say “must be used on an arcade stick”, or “not compatible with ps2 controller”. Instead in the actual game, it lists options FOR the controller. How is this “butchering the game?” Sure, the game was meant for arcade, but when it’s released on CONSOLE, it’s released FOR the console, not for arcade sticks or for arcades. I think disallowing macros will just lower the tourney #s, and I’m not sure if that’s what you want. But seeing as how you’re a good organizer, I would think you’d want as many people as possible.
Anyways I’m sure there was a big debate on this for the evo tourneys, and yet…they allowed macros. Why is there such heat over this? I really think it’s because people haven’t played against macro players that much, and believe that it gives a huge advantage that doesn’t really exist.
Run a Macro’d up Xmen Tourney and a non macro tourney. People can join whatever one they want or even both. Problem solved.
People try playing Magneto in Xmen without a macro and lets see how similar your gameplay is. I know roger can play mags without a Macro, I seen him bust out infinites on a stick with no macro, whats stopping anyone else from being able to?
Roger left his stick at poeta’s house for over a month.
The thing that I dont understand is whenever I’d complain about orbit sticks or how every fucking tourney was at orbit, all I would get from people is “Enough excuses you should be able to adapt” Well, suck me sideways. No one gave a shit about what I had to say so I’m not sympathetic for anybody on this issue.
To be honest I haven’t tried one button karas. But aside from the pressing of both buttons simultaneously, proper hand positioning is also a concern for all karas. Don’t you think it’s wrong that stick players have been overcoming that for years in order to improve their skill, while pad/other players are using that exact reasoning to justify macros (not exclusively for 3S)? But yeah I know you still need to have the right timing even with throw binded to one button, but I can’t help but assume that the timing itself automatically becomes easier when the process involves one less button, therefore affecting more than just execution.
AFAIK T tournaments have always been on arcade. I know that T5 to T7 have been. For the first console one I think it would be better to ease into it instead of creating extra rules to assist random people. Personally, I disagree with a lot of things about Evo; SSBM is now an official tournament there and I think it’s clear why that is, plus they banned super switching after winning a game in 3S, something players have been using since the game came out, so what Evo has isn’t the end all be all for many people. As for games being made for console, to my understanding that has always been a business decision by game publishers so I don’t think my opinion on that will be relevant. The fact that in-game macros are available in console versions doesn’t mean it’s acceptable for competitive play, it could mean anything. Maybe they wanted it to be more accessible for casual consumers who have no intention of playing in tournaments, nobody can be sure.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not afraid of losing to a macro person, nor do I have anything against console or pad players. People should definitely use whatever they want, console’s a perfect chance for that. But I think it’s rude and arrogant that console warriors want to practice the game the way they see fit, then go to a national tournament and just expect the rules to fall into place so that it’s like their living room.
Spoke with DarkDragon whos gonna be running the XvSF tourny. No point in argueing anymore.
He said evo uses macros and we’re going to allow them too. At LEAST on keyboards and probably on pad too
I’ll take the $20 money match.
I don’t think I’m the best and I’m not doing this cuz I’m cocky. I just wanna fucking play the only fighting game I really like on something I’m best playing it on.
So you can run your side tourny with sticks only if you want. The tourny is gonna have keyboards and pads with macros with the same rules as evo.
You people seem to think macros are like a programmed string of attacks. Its a 3p and 3k button… its not THAT bad.
Ghost: Your whole point about people not listening to you complain about orbit sticks was pointless. I agreed with you at the time AND it has nothing to do with allowing macros or not. We were always gonna be allowed to use keyboards and pads. Just not the macros.
Its a console tournament… lets just play the game however we want and get a huge one going. Way more fun that way. If you’re crazy on a stick grats but let people play what they’re best on too