Can I direct a Dead or Alive 4 tournament at T8? I’d really love for it to be there.
So they think that precisely pressing 3 closely located buttons on the pad with 1 thumb is as easy as pressing 3 spread out buttons with 3 fingers? wow.
and unfortunately ggxx doesnt allowed one button to be set more than once, so cant use L/Rs. I personally think disallowing button mapping is putting pad players in a disadvantage, things like these occur with players using different stuff (pad, keyboard, sticks) i guess.
Regardless, button mapping is allowed here 
Wow so ya I didn’t know this thread existed and I’d like to say a few things.
Gerjay: don’t argue with these guys for me cuz if they’re gonna be fags about it then its just gonna cause shit. You don’t even play the game. I already assume I’m not gonna be playing anyways. Thanks a lot for your help tho <3
XvSF community:
You guys seem to be talking about how macros can make you do such godly things without effort what so ever. You seem to forget the disadvantages of being on a keyboard. So I’ll point a few things out.
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When there is quite a bit going on. 3k NEVER super jumps. It does standing HK which in XvSF could turn into a death np. Do you know how hard it is to be super jumping using your middle finger to press S then W while blocking things compared to a stick? Fuck off…
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Blocking on a KB is pretty much next to impossible compared to a stick. It should be quite easy to hit anyone on a keyboard if you’re half decent at doing anything.
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ITS XMEN VS STREETFIGHTER! You guys are saying macros are cheap? Do you know what fucking game you’re playing? If you’re gonna ban macros, you better ban untechable throws, 200% combos, storms fly, sabretooths noob normal jump inf that my little sister could do (do I need to keep going?)…
Like I said in the other thread. You guys are just being a bunch of fucking pussies. Suck it up and win on a stick if you’re so good. Joker, take everyones money on a pad if you say you can do it. I face Ratio1BeatDown all the time in XvS on my comp. I’m on a KB hes on a stick. Sometimes he rapes the fuck out of me np. XvSF is a 1 hit kill type of game in most cases, full of the cheapest, most broken abilities/combos that I have seen in any fighting game.
All of you guys happen to like playing on a stick because you can do it well. You shouldn’t even be able to decide if the tournament should be run like that considering your opinion is 100% bias. Why even allow the tourny to be played on KB or controller? Who the fuck can do ANYTHING on those without 3p/3k? You’re forcing everyone to play on a stick. So you might as well stop pretending like you guys are doing anything nice at all and remove KB/controller from the tourny all together.
I’d say if you’re really good on a stick thats the best way to play anyways. Everything comes out every single time if you can execute well. Which I cannot say about keyboards. I know on my KB I can’t even do lightning attacks or drill claws half the time because those buttons don’t work well together. Stop being a bunch of fucking pussies and let people play how they can play best.
Its a cheap game, with noob infinites where anyone can win at any time with any amount of life. Thats why I love it. Don’t take the fun out of it by trying to make it some kinda professional tourny on a stick. If you guys on a stick can’t contend with people on KB/Pad playing the way they want, then maybe you aren’t ready to compete on a stick. Stupid infinites and untechable throws are 10x worse than any 3p/3k macro. Like I said before, Roger pwns me a lot on a stick while I’m using all my “cheap macros”… so suck it up and have an open mind about things instead of a bias opinion and stop being pussies.
QFT. You win at life. The same can be applied to any game. How do you expect some to FRC on pad without a shortcut? That’s pretty freakin’ hard.
because macros are a handicap.
it’s like giving someone a head start in a race
sure you might still win if unhandicapped against a handicapped person, but if you lose you could just as easily say you lost because of the other players handicap. In the end, tournaments are/were/will never ever have handicaps for their competitors. handicaps are by definition, unfair.
I don’t see how its a handicap. It’s not like people playing on stick are uncomfortable with it. But, honestly, this debate is going nowhere. So there is no point is discussing it further. You guys just stay on the train that macros is cheap.
You also seem to keep forgetting the fact that it has its disadvantages too… for the 43957325 times. Sure a KB is a handicap… in both good and bad ways. I feel I’m playing on something worse than someone good on a stick.
… stubborn bastards.
secondly, if you saw: “macros are acceptable” then someone could easily follow the letter of the law and macro up is 8 button stick. That would be whack.
also, because XvSF is a 1hit KO type game macros are even more of a problem. decreasing the execution requirement it takes for you to do that 100% combo means that there’s less hope of someone fucking up and fucking up his combo, giving you a break.
all in all, the point is, the entire xvsf tournament will be composed of arcade playing ottawa cats, I really can’t see why online playing scrubs have a say at all. how many players intend to compete with a keyboard?
Well, XvSF is none of my buisness. But, the last thing I’ll say, is that both players should feel comfortable when they’re playing the game. Their play should be natural and they shouldn’t have to feel like they can’t execute, if they’ve praticed on pad or keyboard with shortcuts. Of course, I just call it, leveling the playing field. There should be no excuses from anyone at a console tournament.
online playing scrubs? I don’t even know who u are and I’d bet quite a bit on beating you if I could use a keyboard. Also, why the fuck are u talking about setting up a macro for 8 buttons? The only macro I use is 3p for tri jumps because they’re LITERALLY impossible to do on a KB without that. I play MvC2, its not like I can’t use a stick at all. I’m just not use to tri jumps and playing magneto/storm with 3 buttons on a stick. My mind does things that should be done in MvC2 because of habbit. I don’t have a stick I can play on and relearn the game on something else.
I can’t stand people like you. You say online playing scrubs like its impossible to have skill on a keyboard. I’m not saying I’m the best by any means. However I put countless hours into learning this game and I spent those hours learning it on the only thing I had available to me. I don’t think its fair that you can just exclude it because you think macros are cheap. The whole game is cheap and like I said, KB has a lot of disadvantages. So step up and be a man. All I see in your posts are words from a little bitch pissing and moaning about nothing.
a stick is the ultimate thing to use if you’re really good on it without question. Ratio1beatdown can do way more on a stick than I can do on a keyboard and he does it with better execution than I can too. I don’t see the big issue with macros. In fact, I don’t even like to call it a macro. Its a 3p button… aka the only possible way to dash around unless you’re on a stick.
once again… pussies.
Wait a second. A difference in difficulty exists for people between pressing 2-3 buttons at the same time and pressing a single button such that we have to limit it to a certain standard? :lol:
In GG your execution with movement commands and timing far exceeds the execution required to press a certain number of buttons at the same time - which is something that anyone can do blindfold. Honestly who misses an frc because they can’t press 3 buttons at the same time? 100% of the time you miss an frc because of incorrect timing. Not to mention that in GG, there’s quite a bit of frames to press the buttons so that it will register it as multiple buttons simultaneously rather than single buttons after each other. That’s why doing things like Chipp’s FDC 2K in the air is possible, as well as Faust’s and I-no.
Yes arcades don’t set macros, but the composition of an arcade stick layout makes it very easy to press buttons simultaneously. The same is not true for a ps2 controller, so giving them the option to 1 button frc evens it out because to fighting game players of our calibur, pressing 3 buttons should not be any harder than pressing 1 button.
If there is gonna be no 1 button frc allowed I would like to hear why.
Bottom line - The champion of a match does not earn their victory due to macro ‘advantage’
I couldn’t have said it better Saphire… seriously…
“Bottom line - The champion of a match does not earn their victory due to macro ‘advantage’”
Quoted for the fucking truth.
Everyone entering the tournament should be playing at their best and competing based on who plays the game the best. Not who can execute the best on a stick. Thats what your tournament is.
I actually think FRCing with stick is easier then on pad and I like playing on pad. Which why I don’t understand why people are complaining. Sapphire makes a good point, but either way, the side tournaments I may hold will be including macros, so whatever T8 does is “meh” to me. I can play stick too.
X sap: Ur hosting GG at T8 so u’re allowing it =)
altergenesis: I agree, FRCing with stick is easier than on pad, it also allows for more options because u can cancel moves into an FRC by pressing the buttons in a certain format.
I can play equally well on both sticks and pad, i just prefer playing on pad since i have no sticks at home so i practice on pad
There are many reasons for this.
Firstly, a rule has to be absolute and not a per person/per situation basis…obviously. So if you allow a scrub to use macros : why can’t I use one button supers? How do you know that I don’t always use that when I play online? And even if I didn’t…why is that a determining factor?
I guarantee if I used one button supers in any game I would pull them off a million times faster and more acurately even if I NEVER used it before. So that’s now deemed to be my full potential??? I completely disagree with this. That is NOT how the game is designed.
Have you guys even thought about why the game designed it to be 3 punch or 3 kick? Seriously.
Listen you fucking twat. Can you think logically at all? This is a SF tournament. Not a online gathering or whatever. You want to use the setup you use online? Play an online tournament.
What seperates your demand to use a MACRO over some other scrub who uses a programmable pad in CvS2? They can use all the same arguments you just used. You know why? It’s not the way the game is designed. IF thats the way you play xvsf that you’re problem. YOU CAN"T THINK LOGICALLY…you’re suffering here…
"The whole game is cheap…"
This is borderline mentally challenged stupid of an argument. If you know anything about this game (which you don’t since you play on a KB with macros - different game), you’d know that 3punches is MUCH harder to consistently execute than one button. So not only are you taking a skill away, you’re changing the dynamics of the game (screwing up 3p or 3k means you’re fucked). If we are to allow scrubs the means to do everything with one button…this game would be way more of a one touch death than it already is. That alone is enough reason to not allow you’re wackness.
Do you guys realize how whiney and fucking wack you sound? WAAAH KB is shit I can’t do the same stuff as a stick…‘it’s not fair…waaaah’…‘we should be allowed different settings because we’re massive scrubs’. It’s too funny. The logic is completely lost. You’re only thinking for yourselves…not the game.
I’m only talking shit because of these tools who started this crying. I apologize for trying to keep the integrity of the game…not like that’s not one the founding principles of a tournament or anything…
i remember playing people in marvel who, on a pad, would use a 3p button on the trigger to dash and trijump. didnt bother me, smacked them out anyways. and even if i lost, i dont cry that he had an unfair advantage. if i wanted to, i could of gotten a controller and done the same shit, but i didnt because im not comfortable playing like that. all those people playing on a stick make it seem like a 3p button gives you ability to tap into cheap tactics that people on a stick cannot.
THIS IS XMEN VS STREETFIGHTER how can the ability to dash on akeyboard be THAT gamebreaking!? not to mention when it doesnt come out due to input lag or just plain inputs not registering (happens often on a keyboard, especially shitty ones). point is, if you guys think you’re good at all in xvsf i dont see how you can be afraid of people dashing on a kayboard.
oh, for the record, i beat poeta randomly in xvsf when hes dashing around all willy nilly. its called 1 hit into infinite, heard of it? kthx
LOLOLOLOLOLL
if you think for a second that they actually play tested this game, and thought seriously about the ramifications of the entire engine itself…L O L
i find it funny that people still consider xvsf a serious competative game. theres a reason people dont play it anymore…holey shit.
how about: who the fuck are you? where the fuck did you come from? what makes you think you have any say?
you think you’re hot shit huh? you can play on keyboard with ratio1beatdown online and then you come here and say “I don’t even think I’m gonna play anyway, but here’s my dope ass retarded opinion” and talk smack like it’s nobody else’s business.
How about this: I’ll beat your whiny ass with you on any controller you want and myself on stick. I’ll put money on that fact. $20 when I go to T8. I bet the only way you can beat me is with a programmable stick.
I don’t know why you even think your opinion matters. Like I said before none of the Ottawa cats play KB. we ALL play arcade. Last I checked 2/3 of the entrants for XvSF were gonna be from Ottawa. Nobody in Ottawa wants to compete in a playing field where macros are ok. Why? because it’s not fair. like I said, macros are a handicap, and fair or not, they aren’t part of the game.
It’s like console only characters. When everyone who plays Alpha 3 plays alpha 3 competitively is Deejay playable? I sure hope not. He’s not part of the arcade game. I don’t care if he’s broken or not, but I’m not competing in an environment where A3 console only characters are available. Why? because it’s not alpha 3. it’s console a3 and that might be a completely different game.
Xvsf is the same way, macros may or may not give you a colossal advantage in execution. I know they can, cause LMX will rom without fail on KB, but can’t rom for shit on stick. The point is, that XvSF was not designed to be played with macros, it was not made to be played with macros, and most of the players going t8 have no experience against macro playing people.
Stick is standard, and instead of asking everyone else to adapt to your easy mode playstyle of 1button dashes, why don’t you be a man and learn to play stick like the rest of us?
no wonder you didn’t come down to the canadian nation xmen tournament. we did that on arcade. fucking scrub.
Listen, if you don’t like the game…that’s fine. You know nothing about it so don’t assume things.
Firstly, dashing around is CRUCIAL as anything else in the game. Way more so than MvC2.
We’re not afraid of KB players. It’s just not the game. Do you not understand why macros are NEVER allowed in tournaments.
OH but xvsf is not a ‘real’ game…so it’s different…man fuck you.
We have players here that used macros online…they wouldn’t even think about arguing this shiet for a tournament. Then again, they aren’t stupid.
Again, don’t talk about something you know nothing about. 3punch, 3kick is crucial to the game. Just because you can 1 hit infinite someone who doesn’t know how to dash smartly has nothing to do with anything. I can’t even believe you just used that as an argument…do I need to explain the flawed logic in it for you? Oh wait maybe you were just trying to force in another ‘this game is crap’ statement…
You basically just came in here and said the game is worthless so why try and keep it’s integrity? The game is 11 years old and still has a big following; please just shut the fuck up.
EDIT: Umm they did test this game. But, if you didn’t realize the game’s design came BEFORE testing. Clearly one of the initial thoughts behind THREE punch/kick is that it’s much harder to pull of than ONE or TWO buttons… man this is getting fucking stupid
"Listen, if you don’t like the game…that’s fine. You know nothing about it so don’t assume things.
Firstly, dashing around is CRUCIAL as anything else in the game. Way more so than MvC2. "
I don’t need to read the rest, since you have no clue how to play MvC2. You tell him not to assume things about a game he doesn’t play… then you go and throw in somethign to completely destroy your own argument.
I’m not really gonna argue anymore, you guys have it the way you want… at least GGXX community knows what they’re doing.
I know and understand how MvC2 is played at high levels (what are you assuming here?). I’ve seen it been played at the highest level many times…even live. More than enough for me to understand how dashing is being used.
What are you insinuating with this? That dashing is crucial in MvC2? Obviously it is. XvSF lives and dies around dashing constantly. It’s probably the single most important aspect of the game. I KNOW that’s not the case in MvC2. Regardless of how important it is in MvC2…it’s not even used nearly half as much (at high level play) and doesn’t lead the same damaging results as xmen vs sf (at high level play)…which was my point to begin with. It doesn’t take personal ability to see how something is being use btw. My point to Penguin only referred to his idiocy not his ability to play.