T8: Games/Rules Discussion

[noodleman]

also, justin…better watch ur ass in ST…IM COMMIN FOR YA???

no homo.

[Khiempossible]

I nominate… MUGEN

[KrassHole]

The fact of the matter is that XvSF is a game that is currently mostly played online, with people using a variety of control setups from keyboards, to pads, to sticks. The problem is that with it being online, people play the majority of the time on their own terms. Poeta told me he was going to come to T8 with keyboard in hand and was hoping to beat down everybody, more or less. I know for a fact that playing on keyboard, he uses 3p and 3k as a main part of his game, and if that’s what it takes for him to execute on a keyboard the way he does, then I’m fine with it.

No one has a problem with method of controls, macros aren’t a part of the game.

Ignoring the fact that you said ‘plane’ instead of ‘playing’, you claim the game is rediculously easier with these buttons being set. The problem is not about how much easier the game is, but how much harder the game is without the setup to players who use them daily. The competition that XvSF will drag in will be people who play it online and most likely use these buttons. Just because you don’t use the macros (who knows… I’m just assuming no one is stupid enough to set a rule that would cut down their own execution), is no reason to make this ruling.

This made no sense. The game didn’t come out with macro’s and I highly doubt anyone ever invisioned emulation when this came out. What if someone plays CvS2 with a one button roll making roll cancels that much easier? Are you gonna argue that thats ok? And no the competition we draw wont be people who play online but people from out of town, whether they play online or not is irrelevant because they’re travelling here to play in person.

People train online in this game using these controls. To me it seems almost stupid to force them to play without them. If you want it to be a true measure of skill you’re going to give people the setup that they’re used to on the controller they’re used to, this is the whole point of a console tournament… to even out the playing field by cutting out all the excuses about controls. And due to the fact that this game is mainly played online without any restrictions on controls, the tournament for the game should consider this as well.

I’ll refer back to my CvS2 analogy. Banning macros is not stupid at all. They break the already broken game even more and is one step below using a programmed stick. You call it a true measure of skill by making it easier on people?? Ya the game is played online but how many online tournies are there for it? What I can do with mags using macro’s is far beyond anything I can pull off in MvC2, or w/o the macro in xmen.

You can’t play a game in Easy Mode and call it competitive. Sorry, it just doesn’t work.

no homo.

There may have been a little homo in that.

[noodleman]

There may have been a little homo in that.

now if clayton said that, damn, you better watch out!

[KrassHole]

now if clayton said that, damn, you better watch out!

awww yes, Gayton. He sure is gay sometimes. Hope he comes to T8!! NO HOMO.

[System_1]

"What I can do with mags using macro’s is far beyond anything I can pull off in MvC2, or w/o the macro in xmen. "

I guess there’s no point arguing with you guys, its not like I was going to join XvSF anyways… but I personally would rather play somebody who can go absolutely insane with a character using macros than play somebody who can’t do it cause they can’t press 2 buttons at the same time.

"What if someone plays CvS2 with a one button roll making roll cancels that much easier? "

This is the exact same situation… it still requires the exact same timing and the exact same trouble as normal (assuming the ‘macro’ is lp+lk). It just means its more convenient for the pad players who seriously can’t move fast enough to press two buttons followed by the strength they want to RC. I personally would NEVER have any problem with this and I don’t see why anybody would have trouble with it. If they can RC with the macro they can RC without the macro… again, unless they’re too stupid to press two buttons at once.

BTW Shiro, I’m 3-1 against you in XvSF from back when I played at Poeta’s house

[Dark_Knight_IV]

^really what it comes down to is execution

really this shouldn’t be a debate…

arcades set the standard. games in the arcade don’t have macros. thus, no macros should be allowed.

macros were invented for those that can’t press 2-3 buttons at once. They were made as a crutch. So I don’t believe that you can really say that If someone can RC with the macro, that they can RC without the macro. imo.

(i know i know, its really just a couple extra buttons, but really, if they could do it, why the hell would they be using macros in the first place then?)

[System_1]

It isn’t a debate, but I was saying this due to the fact that XvSF has transcended the whole ‘arcade-only’ times and that some people actually play the game on keyboard vs. stick or pad. I just think that since this is a fact about the way the game is played now it should be taken into consideration, instead of screwing them over by making them play on stick when they practice on keyboard using the macros.

[KrassHole]

If they can RC with the macro they can RC without the macro… again, unless they’re too stupid to press two buttons at once.

This just killed your whole arguement. If RCing with a macro is the same as w/o a macro then how is dashing in xmen without a macro any different? They’re both easier requiring you to press less buttons at once,

[YellowS4]

I think we should allow one button wins.

[AlterGenesis]

I’m with Geryjay on macros. Why wouldn’t you want to play someone playing at the full potential? Why would you allow someone to have an excuse if you beat them? Essentially, not giving someone the macros they practice with is giving them a handicap, since you’re playing on something that you’re comfortable with. Wouldn’t you want a challenge? Why play someone scrubby, forcing them to use a stick, when you can have a challenge and good match with macros. I just don’t get it.

[noodleman]

my full potential is unleashed when i use programmable sticks to do combos and cc’s. why do you have to limit my playing ability by forcing me to actually having to manually hit the buttons?

[YellowS4]

Every game should have button mapping and macros. Every single one of them. Even if they don’t have any, make one.

[System_1]

“my full potential is unleashed when i use programmable sticks to do combos and cc’s. why do you have to limit my playing ability by forcing me to actually having to manually hit the buttons?”

I’d be willing to bet any amount of money you couldn’t beat me with a programmable stick.

And Jay, you kinda just took it out of proportion. The reason I’m fine with the 3p 3k in XvSF is because some people actually HAVE to use them since they play the game with keyboard. If that’s the way they practice the game I see no reason why they would be forced onto a stick.

[KrassHole]

Every game should have button mapping and macros. Every single one of them. Even if they don’t have any, make one.

1 button overheads and throws in 3s and 1 button frc’s in ggxx.

[KrassHole]

“my full potential is unleashed when i use programmable sticks to do combos and cc’s. why do you have to limit my playing ability by forcing me to actually having to manually hit the buttons?”

I’d be willing to bet any amount of money you couldn’t beat me with a programmable stick.

And Jay, you kinda just took it out of proportion. The reason I’m fine with the 3p 3k in XvSF is because some people actually HAVE to use them since they play the game with keyboard. If that’s the way they practice the game I see no reason why they would be forced onto a stick.

Are you not reading? Anyone can use whatever control they want, just no macros. Thats all people are saying. No tourney has ever allowed macros for xmen I dont think, you can correct me if I’m wrong. Except for online tournies that may have happened.

[System_1]

Of course I’m reading, have you tried playing on keyboard without 3p 3k?

[Nagata_Lock_II]

The reason I’m fine with the 3p 3k in XvSF is because some people actually HAVE to use them since they play the game with keyboard. If that’s the way they practice the game I see no reason why they would be forced onto a stick.

This doesn’t really hold water. The Guilty Gear community in all major US tournaments ban button mapping (mainly based around RC IIRC) because it gives players a decisive advantage in execution over others. I believe it was after ECC9 and the mess Clayton went through with a guy who had already mapped his buttons that it was made a permanent rule in US majors.

I’m not throwing in a pro or con opinion on this one. Both sides of the coin have their points, I’m just saying your particular arguement doesn’t hold up considering comparable tournies have recognized the advantage mapped players have over non mapped players and made adjustments accordingly. Just because you play that way at home doesn’t mean it should be allowed in an even environment.

[DaFlipMastaXV]

We need air dash and fly macros.

[Phastestpig]

1 Dreamcast
1 Modded PS2
1 SCII Stick
1 HRAP
1 Namco stick
1 USB Adapter

What version of A3 will we be using? or are we mame-ing it…