Even if it is or isnt, I’m gonna use a one button roll macro.
There is no discernable difference. It was brought up in the T8 hype thread that there is a 2 frame advantage in getting off a Roll Cancel but I wasn’t able to confirm the validity of the statement one way or another.
Damn… that means you should win right? Cuz macros are so cheap and all. That one button is gonna change everything and nobody will be able to contend with you if you do that.
You cheap bastard!
well cause of you, Im using an 8 button stick with 3p 3k on there.
nice man… honestly thats awesome I wish I had one of those sticks =).
I wanted to make a stick with 8 keyboard style jumbo buttons for kicks. The actual STICK would be nice… gotta love the KB buttons tho.
GL with that stick… you’re gonna win the tourny! You got macros AND something you can block / sj well on.
/cheer
Good idea!
The problem with these scenerios is that they don’t have any relation to Xmen vs SF. You can’t compare importance with specific examples of each game when both are different (and really not even close gameplay wise). Assists, without a doubt, require you to use dash at different times and in different ways. Yes dash is really important in MvC2 for so many reasons (like some you have mentioned) but those reasons have nothing to do with XvSF. How are we to determine if your example is any more important than any example I bring up about XvSF? You can’t. You need a relation in order to have a comparison.
Systems are a means of relating two games because we can logically/directly compare the available tools and abilities since they(meaning their existence) are not variable.
This is the only way to make any sort of conclusion (which I seriously regret doing.).
FIGHT 1 (or Game 1) : Person A fights person B , both with a sheild (let’s equate this to an assist) and a sword (let’s equate this to dashing).
FIGHT 2 (or Game 2) : Person C fights person D, both with only a sword.
take away or temporarily disable person A’s sword.
Do the same with person C.
*don’t mention the opponents weapons because that eliminates the ability to judge importance between the two fights (although it would be useful in judging the importance of the tools within each fight)
Who is more fucked from losing the sword?
Person C is pretty much done. He needs his sword because he lacks another tool to rely on or to just simply use.
Yes, the shield makes the fight different. Now the fight requires different use of the sword, different tactics, different match all together. All irrelevant to the comparison though.
This is my point. Dashing in XvSF is the primary and heavily dominant tool for spacing. Changing it’s functionality (macro) completely changes the game (which I’m going to fully explain in another post when I get the time). IMO (here’s the part where you’re ok to tell me I know nothing because I’m being opiniated), this is not the same impact as it would be with MvC2. Firstly because there are a lot more tools and therefore more options (or variables/situations - which I’m not directly comparing …just to make sure you don’t assume I’m contradicting myself again…) made available or created from them. And from what I’ve seen, it’s used more frequently in XvSF (like the systems would suggest). Secondly (and also very important), 2punch dash is much easier to execute than 3punch. Lastly, you can sit here all day and say I know nothing, but the result of a good and properly executed (relevance to macros here) dash is more often than not much more impactful/damaging in XvSF (100% character life (HALF your team) by ANY character in NUMEROUS situations WITH OR WITHOUT supers). You don’t agree with me - that’s fine.
Again, for the record I never told Crazy Penquin he knows nothing about the game not because he doesn’t play it (How would I even know this)…it was his post that clearly indicated that to me; especially when it seemed he was using MvC2 to make conclusions towards a 3punch macro’s affect on XvSF
I just find it funny how you guys on sticks are crying so much about 3p buttons in THIS GAME.
XvSF is probably the most scrub friendly game when it comes to killing someone really good with no skill. Sabretooth w00t j.hp j.hk x3897752 = dead without a stun. Even IF you get stunned you get reset for free. Untechable throws with magneto into hypergrav tempests (tiger kneed) which u cant get out of in that game x3 = dead char. I’m at work so I dont have time to keep going into how stupid the game actually is. Why can’t we all just fucking play on what we want (which is gonna happen anyways) and end this shit? kthx
BTW I got into this game after seeing Joker go crazy on a pad. Thats what made me love it so much. The game has almost no limits… I guess I see it as a different game than you guys. That doesn’t mean myself, or anyone else that learned or likes to play on a kb/pad shouldn’t be allowed to play in a CONSOLE tournament.
You make the most confusing arguments - you constantly talk trash about how the game is not that great, and then you say you should be given special priority on how the rules of the tournament are decided… honestly… what fucking tournament makes rules based on the scrubs and not the high level players? You dont even make logical reasons aside from the fact that “you SHOULD be able to play”, which btw, isnt even a reason.
To say over and over how you dont consider it a real game, and now how it’s the most scrub friendly game ever, has got to be the most ignorant fucking thing i’ve ever heard. This is why people respond with “you’re a fucking twat” because you havent actually provided them anything logical to debate. And we havent been arging that you cant use a keyboard/pad… just that you cant use macros… have you ever attempted to play on a stick? I’m sure all the players who say no macros have played the game extensively on both.
Playing basketball on a 6 foot net might make the game more fun for a child or someone who sucks, but it’s not basketball.
So please… please stop playing video games and go back to school…
REMINDER:
You’re still gay.
PS. I agree with Lo.
“have you ever attempted to play on a stick? I’m sure all the players who say no macros have played the game extensively on both.”
In his defense, he has said numerous times he’s played on stick, and he’s actually a pretty decent MvC2 player on stick. He knows both sides of the argument, but he seems pretty clear on where he stands.
I fail to see why you are answering a question asked diretly to someone else, and are somehow bringing in mvc2 to this too?
The reason I’m answering is because you were clearly too ignorant to actually read what he was saying. I could go back and quote him over and over again.
And is there somethign wrong with saying MvC2 in a sentence? I know him from playing MvC2 with him, and we’ve played for years on arcades.
Agreed, for GGXX I say we do it this way to make it fair for all. I think macros for GGXX should not be allowed.
My reasoning is that I am a pad player and I find they make certain actions easier to perform. I know it’s not that hard to hit 3 buttons to perform a Roman Cancel, but it’s still a skill that needs to be learned. Also instant FRCs are much more difficult to perform without a macro button. Examples are Robo Ky’s hard slash and Jam’s Sweep. With a macro button I was able to perform both of them easily with almost no practice. But without a macro button I can barely perform either of them. At the arcade you don’t have the luxury of a marco button, so I don’t see why we should bend the rules for a major tourney.
Anyways those are my thoughts on the subject. I’ll still join both GGXX tournies regardless of what the verdict is.
shouldn’t the fact that he prefers KB to stick clearly indicate the advantage macros provide? Obviously macros make the game easier for him to win. Don’t you think that’s unfair? Did you ask Joker? Joker agrees that if you put macros in there it’s free money. I play KB myself, XvSF was not meant to played on KB.
This is a list of people who’ve argued for macros on KB
Gerjay - you don’t play the game
Nagata Lock 2 - doesn’t play the game
Mystic-God - is a complete scrub according to everyone who’s played against him
Altergenesis - just plays for fun
how do these people who have no idea what impact macros have on teh game decide just exactly the how the tournament is going to be run?
what the fuck happened to shiro, i thought he was running XvSF
Too ignorant to read what he was saying? Try following your own advice. The point was he hasn’t played x-men extensively on both a keyboard and a stick.
It has nothing to do with his skill level at MvC2 (on a stick or otherwise) so I dont know why you would bring it up. I didnt say it was wrong to say it in a sentence, that is just your own interpretation. What does his skill level at MvC2 have to do with my asking if he has played xmen extensively on both keyboard and a stick? It both ignores my question and attempts to bring the conversation in another direction.
Get off his nuts.
Whoa, my name got mentioned again. I don’t know why, I don’t give a shit about XvSF. I think that game sucks. My debate on macros was with the intention of helping out our GGXX/ players. That’s it for me. Until someone calls again.
Don’t question! Just obey!
Like i said in the other thread. Lets leave this xmen talk for MAT. Peeps gotta calm down yo.
I’m coming to this one… LOL!
Vouch.
Also, i’m taking foot race money matches.
First to run from the venue to the closest bank, withdrawn 20 bucks and back gets the other guy’s 20 bucks.