But T. Hawk’s 720 has the farthest range out of any 720 in the game. You can’t compare it to the range of LP SPDs, those are different moves.
Hakan will be horrible.
T hawk will have bad match ups against everyone Gief does. Maybe a couple extra. I don’t see T Hawk doing that much better against Sagat. If he has more ways to apply poke pressure against that st. RH then that will make a big difference.
I think hawk will do better against sagat than gief does but not by much
Well yea thawks normals with their huge active frames can stuff blanka balls. The problem is when blankas use balls in strings, or from 1/3 - 1/2 screen so you can’t react to them. Thawk has no punish for either horizontal or vertical ball on block. Plus, blanka’s hit and run game that works great on gief works even better on thawk, since hawk doesn’t have EX green hand to get that random knockdown or punish balls
Hawk also doesn’t have a Lariat that stuffs everything on reaction
There is never enough t.hawk information for me every time I log on. The abel, makoto, ryu, bison, and akuma threads all have crazy activity with lots of views every time I’m on. This actually excites me more as long as few t.hawk players actually compile our information well. Playing gief in vanilla isn’t exactly EZ-mode but it doesn’t feel as rewarding as I think t.hawk will be.
Hawk doesn’t have too bad of a time against sagat cuz of hawk dive. S.rh becomes crazy unreliable anti-air against it and if you’re constantly mixing up forward/neutral jump + ex condor spire, it’s very hard to keep you out. Also, ultra 2 does shitty damage vs hawk w/ his huge pool of hp and he can eat uppercuts all day and keep on trekking. In general, sagat is muuuuuch weaker now (uppercut @ 100 dmg is laughable) and the only reliable damage he has come from tiger knee (hk) combo’s. 200 yen, one of America’s best sagats has been pickin apart sagat lately and he’s disappointed the character’s so weak now.
you get a dive blocked, he hits u with kara uppercut for 100 some dmg and you just chipped him for 20 something. You hit him with it, you just got 120 dmg, a knockdown and a way in. Really good. If you get it blocked and he early ultra 2’s you, oh well, you lost 20-30% of your hp maybe. Walk that shit off V_V.
His juri on the other hand has been beating my ass cause Juri is super hard to pin down with ex pinwheels, armor break kicks and that delayable fireball :. Cody’s also pretty bad.
Really? I thought Hakan’s Ultra 1 had the longest range of any 720 or command grab in the game.
Yo chinaman318,
For blanka try dashing forward after a blocked blanka ball as fast as you can, then using the fastest condor spire or maybe a fast long reaching normal. Maybe even try a cdonor dive after block. I know there’s got to be some way to punish blocked balls. Fei Long can punish horizontal balls in vanilla sf4 on block by dashing forward fast and using MP rekka, but you have to do it very fast. T Hawk has to have some way to punish blocked balls, or blanka will be a harder matchup.
If T Hawk has a way to kara into EX Spire he could probably punish Blanka ball on block. Sweep moves you forward right? Try to kara that with spire.
i think guiles and chun lis standing jab beats t.hawk dives pretty easy, i gotta try out some more.
You can beat Blanka’s horizontal balls clean with st. mk, cr. mk, st. lp, cr. lp, or Tomahawk on reaction. Buffering cr. lp > lp condor spire will give you mixup options when you land. As far as punishing blocked vertical/horizontal balls, good luck finding something to punish with, I haven’t yet and I doubt there’s anything you can punish with unless you have Blanka in the corner.
this was like the first thing i tried lol. but thawk’s dash is pure garbageo
lol that’s perfect I freaking hate Blanka now ima hate him even more with this main. I wonder what exactly they nerfed on him.
I was hoping they made either ball less priority or slower or slide not so easy to avoid projectiles with but I believe my hopes were shattered. I think he just got less chip on block ultra and something about his charge.
So from the sounds of it, Hawk has horrible match-ups against half the cast? This sucks. My dreams are shattered…
Its mostly speculation so it could be true or not. We won’t really know what’s up until everyone has the game since we can’t test things on our own we’re relying on others who have it (and probably don’t get to play it long) to tell us what’s up.
but I can say if your looking for a character who isn’t going to have to play turtle against a lot of other characters in this game then I don’t think T.Hawk will be the one.
It seems from our speculation he’ll be a character that will have a lot of boring match ups where you pretty much get a hit then try to sit on it running the clock down or your be getting zoned hard by shotos and other projectile characters.
but I’m sure if your willing to stick to him your amaze yourself with the match ups your overcome. :china:
of course this is going off the fact that he does have a lot of bad match ups
Oh well, I stuck with Vega up until now. I can stick with Hawk for the next one.
Guess I’m a glutton for punishment. I just wish the characters I became interested in using didn’t always turn out to be so hard to win with.
I mained Dudley in 3S and when I heard he was going to be in SF4 I was excited but after seeing how many other people wanted to play him I got bored of the idea of wanting to main him again. One thing I dislike about fighting games is playing a character who is overplayed so I wanted to find another character and here I am on the T.Hawk forums.
I main Chun-Li in SF4 when I wanted to main Ryu (didn’t because of how popular he is) but I don’t really enjoy Chun as a character. She pretty high on the tier but not seen much online and I don’t see her much in offline tourneys as of lately(might see her more in SSF4).
anyways T.Hawk seem dead so it seems like I’ll like playing as T.Hawk because of how unpopular he is but I’m going to dislike the match up lol. I’ll try to bear with it and get better. I do understand some match up can be on the impossible side so I’ll still have Chun as back up but for the most part all T.Hawk.
Same with me. I’ve been saying to all my friends that I’m gonna use Dee Jay ever since the game was announced. But he’s looking to be pretty good… I really hope he doesn’t become the next Ken ,Ryu, Sagat… I hate using the same character as everyone else.
I’ve put together a video showing all of the 10 new characters different colors and personal actions/taunts. (I’ve not included the filters used for colors 11 & 12 since they all just look like color 1 with an ink/pencil filter respectively)
It’s at [media=youtube]tvMaF1YTtds[/media]