yeah I cringed when he got hit with the ultra for diving in. I’m not surprised people did well with him since he is the most straight forward of all the new characters. only one week left, baby! when SSF4 drops me and t. hawk are going to smoke some peyote and go on a vision quest, no homo. can’t wait.
Apologies if this has been asked already, but how punishable/safe is Condor Spire on block? Normal and EX version?
cody is actually a great matchup for hawk players, juri is a horrible matchup for hawk or well it seems she is the sagatte counterpick for all of the grapplers. her mid and high fireballs and the ability to store both at same a=time and release at same time will be hell to fight against
Yeah, I did some experimenting with Hawk, and one thing I learned is that you absolutely do not want to do Condor Dive on anyone with a projectile Ultra or any Ultra that can hit you in the air, because you’re just wide open if it gets blocked. You’re better off with a EX Condor Spire for closing distance.
After messing around with hawk for a while
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almost everybody has a reversal to hawk’s dive on block but it hits so hard and he has so much life, it’s a worthy trade for chance of knockdown + 120 dmg
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s.rh, c.hp, s.hp, and c.rh are ridiculously hard hitting, long range, godly priority normals :xeye:
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condor spire is not as good as people make it out to be. very short range and only good for oki mix-up after knockdowns, altho ex is pretty decent for predicting that upclose fireball. Also, they took out reverse DP shortcuts so it’s pretty strict execution compared to the messy df, db, df + c.lp/c.lk shennanigans u get with gief and ex banishing flat.
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hawk’s focus is pretty damn good (long range especially)
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c.hp is alright AA and his ex DP is pretty beefy (good invulnerability too)
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hawk’s jump is so high, it’s basically a mix-up
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Cody rapes hawk pretty bad unless you take it slow (tornado and up-kicks are retardedly good defense…)
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hawk’s ability to combo anything is terrible. ima keep looking for possible combos
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hawk can take ridiculous amounts of damage. it’s pretty funny when you’re fighting average damage characters who take forever to kill you. they combo you, you trade a hawk dive and one normal and it’s even again.
How are you comboing a DP off anything but a point blank cr.lk or st.lk is beyond me.
I’ll get back to you about the tomahawk combo’s. I thot I got it to hit on a really fat character but maybe that was standing and off the best jump-in possible. I was trying to do the whole fishing with s.lk xx tomahawk thing you can do w/ gief and ex banishing flat. Yeah… that’s getting me murdered. I wish condor started up faster 
few things:
condor dive can be used as a crossup. easy to hit on some (makoto, balrog) hard on others (dictator)
ultra 2 cant be used like a DP anti air. its more like trying to land rose EX soulthrow
his jab to st.mp link is easy
his 2hit sweep catches backdashers every time
all his pokes feel fast and good
EX tomahawk has little if any invu frames, heavy has the most. Think EX is intended to be used in combos only. trades alot
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Condor spire does not have the standard dragonpunch shortcut
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AA cr.hp traded in hawk’s favor against dictator’s jump in.
far AA st. rh owned dictator.
at 3:00 the hawk player starts neutral jumping to bait punishable moves with dive. then uses it go under dictator when he jumps in.
it does look difficult to crossup dictator with dive-several failed attempts.
Great video. Looks like Hawk’s command normal will be a good tick into 720, as well as solid in combos.
Been playing a lil T. hawk and been having a pretty hard time dealing with ibuki’s kuni. Good thing T. hawk has so much health…
cr.lp, st.lp, ex tomahawk hits on standing opponents
its not that hard to land it if u get ur opponent scared
Man its pretty lonely here. Why is everyone on Makoto? She gets like 14-20views whenever I get online. I thought Dudley would be having views that high. We get like 2views most of the time but I’ve seen 6 maybe 7 this morning on my lunch break. I know it probably off topic (what’s this topic about again? we already have a match making thread).
anywho yeah I’d image Ibuki could be tough and someone in the match making thread said he thinks Chun will be an easy match up. I’d have to disagree (I don’t have the game but I just don’t see that being easy) Chun has many tools plus a projectile to throw out now and then to keep you guessing and off guard and I’m sure her air grab beats dive and if blocked I’m sure she can punish.
I haven’t played the game but that’s just how I see the match flowing not to say Hawk CAN’T win but I see it being fairly tough if not harder.
Dudley however no comment as I don’t know Dudley to well. Speculation is healthy tho
The range on his throw ultra is absurd. I swear, it is longer than a char length away.
Does anyone envision any 3-7 matchups for T.Hawk? If not, will 4-6 be the worst he runs across?
blanka is bad. sagat could be bad, but it doesnt feel as bad as sagat/gief so that might end up 4-6. Ryu will be bad.
you guys are talking 4-6 against T.Hawk right?
You believe that gief will be a 4-6 match up? (against T.Hawk)
Have you tried cr.lp to beat Blanka ball? (That works with Chun for me) maybe DP it? try one of his “godly normals”?
dude have you seen the range on Hakans oiled LP command grab its about a 1/4 screen. Hawks throw range only seems good if you are not use to using LP SPD with gief now that has range.