It’s definitely NOT j. d+fierce. He hits with an animation similar to the Condor Dive, look closely. (04:11)
If it was j. d+fierce his body would be horizontal
Wow, I have no idea what’s going on there. It looks like dive, but it doesn’t knock down like dive does. And it sounds like jumping fierce (makes the fierce noise), but it sure doesn’t look like it. Weird.
I don’t think it’s the condor dive because he doesn’t do the little pause he does before actually diving. Also this could be jump d+fierce, since they’re playing a console version of ST the animation could of changed. I’m thinking this is the ps1 version, could be wrong though.
That is definitely diving hawk animation in that video.
However, it doesn’t have startup like diving hawk, nor does it make the startup noise.
I’m guessing… beta j.d+fierce? I don’t think it’s the same game we’re all playing.
yea it’s definitely not the arcade version. You can tell by the stages, music, and the fact that it’s set on inf. time. So it’s one of the many console versions released. Probably the ps1 or 3do versions.
It’s the 3DO version.
Close S.MP is very good against Vega Walldive, it’s just that it’s a proximity move it won’t always work, having the risk of getting knocked down and possibly losing the match to walldives.
When I first picked up ST last year and tried out Hawk/O.Hawk, I automatically knew that O.Hawk could NOT have been low tier. He just had so much more stuff going for him than Hawk. I told people how I thought about how O.Hawk had to be atleast A/B tier and months later Gian posts up a tier list, having O.Hawk up in the ranks. I just can’t see why it took so long for people to find out how good O.Hawk was and post it up. Of course he still has a ton of shitty matchups, but once he gets in it’s usually game. Oh wait, that’s like almost all the characters in ST.
against vega walldives, best is to jump back jab. beats it EASY
also, people seem to not believe me: o.hawk vs chun, chun cant do ANYTHING against o.hawks splash. she can jump straight up lk to TRADE, but thats all ive seen. She can try and get lucky with an air throw (its honestly happened maybe twice out of all the chuns ive played and it seems random.) other than that, upkicks get stuffed, flipkick gets stuffed, all jumpins and normals get stuffed. I dunno what she can do but whenever I play against any chun, i just use o.hawks splash over and over. It sounds scrubby, but she really cannot do a thing against it.
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Regarding that j.d+fierce vs. Chun-Li. Toutanki has used it in another video aswell, I could only find this one. The only way out for Chun seems to be a throw. I’ve used it a couple of times myself online, as O.Hawk.
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Just as to not confuse anyone about his air d+FP… Thats definitely not the hitbox for it in that picture. I know he was using that pic more as an illustration, but the red hitbox extends a good way below the blue box and is a lot wider than that picture shows… At least according to the Yoga Book
Yeah, if you watch Toutanki play VS Chun’, he just spams that shit over and over.
Alright good, im not crazy then. I knew she couldnt do shit against it, i just wanted to make sure.
Why do i have more trouble with guile then I do with honda, dictator, or fucking even vega?
I think I’ve seen Chun-Li use her close st. MK to stuff the splash. (Or maybe it was some other kick. It’s the one where she kicks really high, so it looks like she’s almost kneeing herself in the face.) Is this a possible solution to the splash spam, or is it too situational?
Guile just has the perfect set of moves and special moves to make it almost impossible. If you’re facing a defensive Guile that doesn’t throw out normals (except mandatory cr.forward), it’s really hard unless you’re a walk-up Typhoon wizard. Guile’s cr.forward is such a pain in the ass, further getting a knockdown is almost impossible unless he sticks out something that you can hit with Rising Hawk.
Ive found against guile that using the 2nd hit of cr.rh with hawk is a good way to knock him down. Its just really an uphill battle because he can jab you out of hawk dive and keep booms to pressure you and anti air with (oddly enough) 2nd hit of cr.rh if he doesnt have a charge
O.Hawk - Normal attacks.
st. Strong (far) will miss crouching: Blanka, Guile, Chun Li, Cammy and Dictator
st. Roundhouse (far) will miss crouching Blanka, Cammy and Dictator
st. Roundhouse (close) will miss crouching Blanka and Cammy.
Keep this in mind before you throw out these attacks, I’ve eaten some Flashkicks etc. thinking I could poke crouching Guile with st. Strong, where it just misses him cleanly.
I just got my Yoga Book Hyper today, to my disappointment there isn’t much information about O.Hawk. I always knew that N.Hawk’s cr.strong has a stray hitbox, it’s even portrayed in the Yoga Book Hyper, but I don’t know if O.Hawk’s cr. strong has the same problem? ;~
----- UPDATE : Fortunately O.Hawk’s cr. Strong doesn’t have a stray hitbox like N.Hawk’s.
YBH:
I just saw that O.Hawk’s cr. forward has more range than N.Hawk’s cr. forward, according to YBH. I tested it ingame and I’m pretty sure they have precisely the same range.
Any other players always getting Strong version of Typhoon even though you press and hold Fierce first? I.e. cr. jab, strong, fierce, b, u/b, u, u/f, f, d/f, d, d/b release fierce and strong. I get the strong version 90% of the time and it irritates me, since it often means I need to do one more successful safe-jump. Would it be feasible just sticking to fierce alone?
Am I the only hawk player who does not have any problems playing vega, dictator, or o sagat? Vega wall dives are easily EASILY stuffed by jump back jab. If its on wakeup, reversal dp (o.hawk) and one knockdown and its almost always gg.
Dictator - Reversal 360 scissors and improper spaced crushers. Block crossups and you’re golden. One knockdown is all you need in this matchup.
O.sagat - dunno. just never really had a problem. psychic dp’s win this match.
edit: i dont neg edge 360s although i should learn to. I usually just drum all 3 which sometimes results into kara st.fierce 360.
I swear sometimes that it feels like Hawks DP randomly gets stored. I’ll bet it’s happened to a couple of the hard core Hawks out there too. Not to many active Hawks but can I get a post or to if it’s happened to any of you befor ?