^^ u jelly i got it working in a few days that took you 2 years?
also, are you sandbagging? why do i always beat you?
djf, let me use pasky hud with distance meter to test those. will report the results later.
LOL ^^
I just ain’t sure if that’s a “basic” T. Hawk trick.
Frijoles is right. This tick is a real bitch to do against Dhalsim for all the reasons he listed.Against Chun and Dic too, though I find it easier to pull off against Chun for some reason. But yeah, fuck her throw. Fuck any throw that’s just f+P/K 
I guess it is a basic technique in the way that you really should learn it, because it’s super powerful. It’s just damn hard to do consistently.
one of the hardest parts is making hawk stay on the ground when they reversal. first learn the motion by ticking. once you have that down, do the same motion but with the jab whiffing this time. if hawk jumps in the air, you’re doing it wrong (unless it’s against dic, he doesn’t have anything to make your jab whiff anyway).
when they don’t reversal and the jab connects: the hitstun keeps hawk on the ground longer
if they reversal: the jab whiffs and hawk will probably jump in the air since the 360 motion starts with up. you better be sure you stay on the ground or else you lose everything you worked for.
So what would be a good way to learn him? Play online and start from there or go strictly training mode? I have gotten his combos pretty much pat. Just in game typhoon seems hard for me. I have been using a square-gate and when I switched over to octagon it was easier.
lots and lots of training mode is my best advice. you have to be precise as hell with the motions.
Play, don’t worry about the OS/loop. There’s much more to learn about Hawk than his os/loops. If you can’t play the character on a fundamental level and know your spacing/footsies, don’t even worry about the fancy crap. I’ve been playing O.Hawk on and off for 2 years and still don’t feel my spacing/footsies are good enough to even warrant thinking about learning his fancy stuff. You can learn how to cook fish, but if you can’t even fillet it then why bother?
That is why I think Mayakon is still the best Hawk. He would win when other Hawks would not, even with superior normals, due to spacing and timing. That guy is scary.
i don’t think he still plays. haven’t heard his name come up anywhere in a while.
Last I saw of MAyakon he was playing from USA in ggpo, but that was over a year ago
I saw DAIGO playing from USA on ggpo just a couple of days ago.
Mayakon unfortunately retired years back.
i looked around yesterday, but could not find a comprehensive list of o.hawk’s option selects. i also tried to follow neoray’s vids but sometimes it looks like he’s just screwing around on the stick prior to actually doing something. i don’t know if the first set of inputs he’s doing is actually necessary or if it’s just another poker player messing around with his chips kind of thing.
anyway, for anyone who would know, i’m practicing jumping in-> cr.lp-> 360 (ending back at down position)-> down/forward-> lp. i’m getting the typhoon but i don’t know if it’s an option select or not. i would list them with arrows but i don’t know where you guys get those to annotate correctly.
Thanks!
i dont think what you’re describing is a option select. it’s just a negative edge typhoon that keep you grounded if the opponent reversal.
yeah lacking a comprehensive training mode sucks.
we have TRUST but it’s gonna take some effort to build up the training lessons.
the option select that neoray did is
jump in jab, build in dp install, landed (if no reversal), cr jab x n, negative edge typhoon (you can add another dp after typhoon)
damdai actually did a super turbo saturday tutorial in which he described some of the os
which is an option select. Opponents remains in a throwable state> you throw him. he doesn’t> you block. Also he was describing the 360/DP OS.
Not sure if this is the correct way to do it but it is his intent.
Oh, OK. Thanks for the clarification. Life kicking in, I guess…
Yeah, damn it! FMJaggy, please infract poopasi! Thanks!
I think it is, but you have to rotate it clockwise as P1 and anticlockwise as P2, just so it ends in →↘↓↙↓↘. You gotta ask that Mexican macro guy, you know.
he said
he’s not talking about just a neg edge typhoon. otherwise he’ll surely know if he’s doing it right (release punches -> typhoon? yes -> success no -> failed
but ok you can say neg edge typhoon is an os by itself.
option select is hard to practice without a training partner… or until we have a script written for it in TRUST
as i mentioned above though, since thawk has no whiff animation, the new hitbox script with throw box is excellent to use in training mode. you can confirm if your input is correct (yellow box)
hey beans, a little help? anyway, for me it’s harder to go facing left (counter-clockwise) since i stopped rolling that way a while back. sometimes i think i’m doing it right because if i set to “auto-block,” i get the typhoon. if i set to “block everything,” my cr.jab knocks me far enough out that the typhoon won’t activate and i get the rising hawk.
thanks for the replies. yeah, i’m trying to get the “typhoon buster” for clarification. i’m going to work on the sako special next. i think i’m getting that one too, but it doesn’t look like i’m getting the same amount of forward motion as in the vid. the typhoon does come out though. anyway, again thanks for the replies.