Thanks for the response, Tofu. I’m glad my theory fighter is on the right track (there’s nothing else I can do at the moment, lol). If I could make a totally random comparison to the way you are using Hawk, it would be HDR Cammy since she has a sweet spot where she pressures with her normals, specials and mix-ups. This is great since I love using Cammy in HDR/ST.
I don’t know if you guys posted this yet or not, since i don’t follow t Hawk, but I think I got crossed up by his dive. I was blocking back, and he did it and I got hit. Thought that would interest you guys~
Yes someone has mention but thanks for your input
What about Thawks stun? Does he do absurd amounts of stun like cvs2 raiden?
How reliable is s.jab, s.jab, c.short XX EX Spire?
This actually brings me to another noob question. What is meant when someone types XX like that?
Like how he has "s.jab, s.jab, c.short XX EX Spire"
sorry for all of these questions lol if you have a dictionary for this stuff that would be great
Did I ask how much gief HP is? if not anyone know? (or have a chart showing them all for SSF4)
This is a good resource for any fighting game jargon you come across.
In combo notation, “xx” means you’re canceling one move into another. In this case, cr. short cancels into EX Spire. The “xx” is used to differentiate cancels from links, which are separated by commas in combo notation.
Reversals:
T Hawk’s SPD is basically just like giefs w/ slight range/damage differences all around. EX spd is indeed invincible start-up it seems like.
Honda - Butt Slam (all), Ultra (dash + 720)
Makoto - Deep hitting dash punches, Ultra (after first hit)
Juri - EX pinwheel is unsafe and so is jumping kicks (i’m not sure how to punish these as lp spd doesn’t reach but i know she’s punishable by other means)
Balrog - basically everything on hit and block is punishable by reversal jab spd, but sometimes it’s hard to reach rog after blocking torpedos
I’ll add to this later.
What are the actually damage values for his moves and combos?
Any known kara-spd/dp/spire possibilities so we increase punishment range? Not really expecting it but if it’s possible you’d certainly want to do it.
TB: 130/150/160/130 (hits twice and can go into ex hawk dive (120+armor break); fp TB has best invincibility it seems)
CS: 120/120/120/150 (ex goes thru fireball)
Typhoon: 150/200/230/200 (ex has startup invincbility, not sure about throw invincibility)
Super/Ultra1/Ultra2: 430/510/450
No idea about kara’s.
You sir are a Gentleman and a scholar. I was hoping his typhoon did more than Giefs like ST, but I knew it wouldn’t lol.
some t. hawk attack info
damage/stun
normals:
LP 40/50*
thrust peak 40/50*
close MP* and far MP 90/100
close HP 130/200
far HP 120/200
LK 30/50*
MK 70/100*
HK 120/200
c.LP 30/50*
c.MP 80/100
c.HP first hit 90/100 second hit 50/100
c.LK 40/50*
c.MK 70/100
c.HK first hit 120/100 second hit 50/100
angled jump ins
LP 60/50
MP 90/100
d.MP 80/90
HP 120/200
d.HP 110/50
LK 50/50
MK 90/100
HK 120/200
nuetral jump
LP 60/50
MP 90/100
HP 140/200
LK 50/50
MK 90/100
HK 120/200
specials:
Tomahawk Buster (lp, mp, hp, ex) 130/150/160/130 200/200/200/300 (150 per hit)
Condor Spire (lp, mp, hp, ex) 120/120/120/150 200/200/200/150
Mexican Typhoon (lp, mp, hp, ex) 150/200/230/200 200/200/200/150
Condor Dive 120/100
Super 430
Ultra 1 510
Ultra 2 450
FA1 90/100
FA2 120/150
FA3 170/200
*can be canceled.
What are his best AA moves and what should you do vs cross ups. I’m used to gief so this having to deal with cross-ups is a bit of a change of pace.
AA: deep LP TB, c.HP, close MP
crossup: not sure yet =/
Maybe ex spire for crossups. In ST you could jump back fp but that doesnt work anymore. Ex DP gets you out of a cross up definitely but it doesnt hit them
The T.Hawk I was playing had great success with some kind of standing LP I believe, maybe it was a command normal? He should post and confirm. :bgrin:
t hawk’s condor dive can cross up aswell if its at the right angle
Good shit dudes.
Monte, are you sure HP tomahawk buster does 400 stun?That seems a little bit insane.
yeah sorry it’s 200.