how about you actually read the god damn quran. it calls for the death of infidels and much more. sick book, created by a sick man, followed by sick people. the religion is a fucking joke and you give that moron mohammed way too much credit.
Fact is, he was a childhood trauma survivor and grew up to abuse women (who he often murdered) and have sex with 9-10 year old girls (which victims of childhood trauma often do). He would seclude himself in a cave where he thought he was having visions and also would have seizures. He was about a nuts as you can get.
How about next time YOU do some research instead of blindly accepting their bullshit as truth.
I think there is a fundamental difference between the violent acts of “Christianity” and “Islam”. It’s important to understand the historical context and principals that the religions were founded on. For Christianity, it was a focus on God’s self sacrifice in Jesus and love for the sinner (there is no question of it’s non-violent beginnings, AT LEAST), whereas in Islam it’s a political-religious hybrid that is to rule everything by conquest. It’s also important to know that with the Islamic conception of God, omnipotence is just some rule-all and leaves him lacking in incidental properties. In this way love is kind of like just a weakness and not a perfection to Allah, and so I don’t think you’re going to see the “love your enemy” thing going through as much with the faithful, even though I think humans have a built-in intuition that it’s better to love than to hate, although hating is often easier and intrinsic.
I think the Islamic schools probably made the most sense of the situation based on the Qur’an and Hadith in that Muhammed’s latest revelations are binding. Keep in mind that I do not reject Islam, even if the terrorism was true Islam, which I think it is. That might sound evil, but I build a philosophical case on larger issues in regard to this. I wouldn’t reject a faith just due to the fact that there has been violence, and here I’m being gracious in thinking it isn’t necessarily worth rejecting its potential truth on the violence.
Now, I think that Muslims should ultimately want to put the world in the House of Islam, and that goal is through Jihad which Muhammed specifically called to with physical fighting. Now I’m not encouraging Muslims to be terrorists, or saying that I hate them, I’m just saying that for consistency and the highest chance of reward, that they should do this. I however, based on huge historical context of early Christianity, the first century church fathers’ writings, the fact that I can’t ground morals, logic or justice in Allah like I can the Christian God, the fact that I think the crucifixion and resurrection makes the most sense of the historical evidence (all these things, with what we keep seeing as the Jewish faith and textual criticism just makes it implausible that somehow just ruined the Bible severely, and that the Christians and Jews so ridiculously changed their original faith), the fact that salvation is arbitrary and could end up being a big joke on the faithful Muslim on judgment day, reject Islam as true or even plausible.
I just think this helps make more sense of the situations.
open a book. it’s a shame really that people lack the ability to research and educate themselves instead of blindly believing muhammed was a good guy and islam is a religion of peace. Plus the fact you can’t accept me bringing up facts about muhammed’s life without me being some kind of white supremacist, crazy christian truly shows the lack of thought you put into this. I’ve stated numerous times I’m an athiest and have no loyalty to christianity and none of my posts have anything to do with race.
DOOD, ME TOO, Nothing I say ever has anything to do with race, I am not racist nor do I believe in god or all that stuff. I too also have the ability to type bullshit on the internet just like you, we should totally hang out. You know, bro around.
You just said christians are not violent on a massive scale, but this nation was created under christian rule, right? We have a military that has more WMD than all other nations combined and has had a civil war that claimed more lives than several other wars combined. A war waged by none other than god fearing christians.
I really don’t want to get into this pointless debate again, but I do agree that unlike other religions like christianity, many moderate muslims seems to only decry violent acts in a lax and defensive manner, while completely acknowledging and silently respecting those who are vocal and violent due to their kindred acknowledgment of their religious “fervor.” X-tians at least go out and protest or publicly preach against other sects or acts that they disagree with, while muslims will occasionally have one clean-cut Malcolm X look-a-like that comes out on CNN/Fox news and say, “We disagree with the acts… but we kinda understand… but we’re against it… kinda… but it is wrong… sorta… so yeah… don’t hate us.”
To sum it up:
If the extremists are the very small minority and the moderates the grand majority, the grand majority should not only be more vocal but more proactive in controlling their violent and small-minded counterparts.
Literally 100% of what you have said is false, and is fueled by ignorance and hatred.
You think you can just pick up a Qur’an and read random verses? You have to read the chapter in its contextual entirety, and then get an interpretation from a scholar who has studied Arabic and the religion extensively. Even then, you would have merely scratched the surface of the meaning behind translation from it’s original language.
Honestly, I feel very sorry for you to be bridled with such inarticulate, angry, and ignorant logic.
I’m not going to bother to argue the merits of the subject at hand, since there is nothing of substance to add to a thread that is 12 pages of mostly ignorant bigots spewing nothing but redundant tripe over and over again. Don’t get me wrong, there are some really intelligent posters on SRK, and some people have made legitimate points, however I see mostly bias here.
You do realize that you come of as a really big retard when you essentially state that if 1.57 billion people were killed/wiped of the map tomorrow it would be business as usual for you. Well I can assure you that a lot of people will care when over a billion people perish, regardless of faith. But rest assured, when people like you are gone outside of a few family members and friends you will not be missed. After all the cesspool of human waste just got a little smaller.
Textbook ignorance on SRK right here. Your understaing of Islam is clearly limited, outside of a few things you’ve probably read here and there. You know nothing of Islamic jurisprudence yet you continue to show your ignorance.
Ok, so maybe you can interpret these versus for me from the quran.
2:191 And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. And fight not with them at the Inviolable Place of Worship until they first attack you there, but if they attack you (there) then slay them. Such is the reward of disbelievers.
2:193 And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah.
2:216 Warfare is ordained for you, though it is hateful unto you; but it may happen that ye hate a thing which is good for you, and it may happen that ye love a thing which is bad for you. Allah knoweth, ye know not.
2:244 Fight in the way of Allah, and know that Allah is Hearer, Knower.
5:33 The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom.
Please enlighten me how these can be interpreted in any other way. It’s ironic that the real ignorance in this thread comes from people like you and your inability to acknowledge the proof right in front of you. It’s a sick, disgusting religion created by a psychotic retard.
Apparently telling people the truth about muhammed is ignorance, racist and bigoted. Guess we should all shove our head up our ass and ignore anything negative about islam, no matter how true it is.