Regular Akuma was so sick in this game…
This thread finally got moved? Finally, now we can get some PRODUCTIVE discussion going.
People still play this at Chinatown Fair pretty seriously lol. People say Tessa is top tier. When, if ever, I do play I main sim. Sim is pretty good in the game. His drills are fast and head drill covers a lotta distance quick. When you are in close, you can do like a ghetto triangle jump (quick overhead) with his foot drills to catch ppl trying to low poke you. Then mix it up with a quick slide into throw. These tactics are not vulnerable to GCFS. Meaty yoga flame was hard to beat if they didn’t have meter. And if you got counter hit in corner, you could combo in super or yoga fire if you had no meter. Up flame was good anti air that knocks ppl all the way back. Exceed was good anti air, but hard to get in otherwise - bad controls made it hard for me to GCFS -> Exceed, but maybe my execution sucks. Teleports were ok - made him disappear a long time so he could run away from supers or whatever. Air teleport into air super was gimmicky but fun lol.
and lol i saw this in FGD not KOF forum…oh well.
lmao genjuro with a command grab that puts opp in juggle and being able to do auto combo dm off of it
There’s two - count 'em, TWO SVC Chaos machines in the Huntsville arcade. Pretty good game I think. Obviously not to be taken seriously from what I’ve read here but still good fun.
genjuro you know i actually forgot he was even in the game lol. You know i find it funny that none of the svc or cvs games added k’, but it seems that all of them have the original sf2 chracters making up more than half the capcom roster. They could at least have gotten some alpha characters if they were going to use SF characters
Yeah Im glad it got moved, so now we can begin some serious discussion. I main ryu, I played the hell out of this game back on the original xbox and I think I got to a compotent level of skill. I always came accross good players that used the cheats (shin akuma,shin karate,) but inspite of the broken nature of the hidden characters I had quite a bit of fun. On that note, is there any high level footage of ryu?
I don’t really know of any high level footage of SvC. :sad:
There use to be some vids in circulation back in the days. I know I came across a few Chinese ones, but they are long gone unforuntately. I wonder if there is someone out there who has kept them or uploaded them to youtube?
You haven’t even read your own thread.
Check back to Fiol’s post where he linked vids.
Yeah I saw it, it doesn’t look like there is much resource material in terms of high level play. I really hope we get a XBL release soon or something.
Most recent thread I could find on Other Games (re: this game), btw.
That was already linked in the original post…
Yes, but at the same time don’t pretend like there isn’t footage available. I linked several tourney match vids (all upped by the same person on YT, he should have more); the matches I have are sourced from that same group of players and have some more characters as well. What exactly are you looking for?
Did you not learn anything from that match? What’s your thoughts on it? Is he better or worse than you are? Its true that footage overall is limited but that is pretty high/solid level play from those people.
Forgot to check the OP, oops. At any rate
Yes, this. I keep hearing about how a good Goenitz/tornado spam can hang, but sadly I haven’t seen it yet. Agreeing with the following quotes as well. I feel that’s basically the game in a nutshell. Aside from Tech’s “good for casuals and don’t take it too seriously” post:
It’s true because the high tiers do have their anti-GCFS measures, and have a much better arsenal than the other tiers. Geese with the zoning/chip damage, Zero with the crazy zoning and elves, O. Iori with the speed and basically being GCFS immune, etc. Many of the other characters get left out, and it becomes turtley.
Perhaps if they get the license back and go for a newer XBLA/PSN/VC release, they could fix the many issues. I do like the improved GCFS and tweaks in NGBC as is though. I think I’ll be playing that more instead/in the meantime.
My thing is that without a truly competitive scene that revolves around this game (except perhaps the few scenes I’ve heard of in other countries, still small though) anyone playing this game at a top level where infinites and the like become a real problem is rare and goes without saying. Its pretty much assumed anyone with a brain already considers it “casuals only”.
Its like I was saying to Dandy J on IRC last night, not every game one plays has to be the best, competitive or have anyone like it. In the end they’re just games and no-one has to really justify why they like or play it especially if they see the faults at an objective level. This happens in every single thread for the game and it gets tiresome because its been said 200 fold already why the game is flawed at high level. Doesn’t give people the right to complain about it for those that enjoy it.
Like I said, we all know I hate SFIV but I don’t go up to the SFIV subforums and bitch about it.
But I’m done with that; one thing I wanted to ask an opinion is what do anyone think of the broken tier (Athena, Red, Shin Gouki and Karate) amongst themselves? I always wondered if the amount of brokeness each of them had would make for interesting matches just against one another and I haven’t seen them match-uped against each other very often.
Athena, Red, Shin Gouki, and True Mr. Karate are not even available in the arcade version of the game. For the most part they aren’t in tier list, because it’s impossible to play with them. Unless you personally hack the bios on your MVS cabinet, which I’ve never seen before. I know there were setups in Mexico and China with it, but I’ve never seen one in the US.
I haven’t logged in enough console version hours to gauge. I think it would be Shin Akuma on top though, if his MO is the same as regular Akuma’s. That, and his supers are fast and meterless. (Meter exists for Max Mode, and his SGS, which is L1.)
Does human-controlled Arremer randomly spawn minions like the boss version? That seems pretty troublesome for the less mobile characters.
I think its actually possible to use the boss characters on one type of the arcade board, it was the AES version and you input codes just like the midbosses on the select screen or either turn on developer mode (which I think is the mame rom called the “super version”). In the console both Shin Gouki/Karate are already available but Red and Athena must be unlocked. I did it on my shitty Xbox version but haven’t bothered yet on my PS2 import version.
Actually I always thought of Shin Gouki being the best out of the big four as well just because of the teleport (which has no recovery) which allows him to get around the mad zoning options of Karate and Arremer. But its pretty close, I’d say. I’d love to see solid level matches of them against one another. I’m scared of Athena too, because her specials (which all look like supers approriately enough) have such amounts of invulnerability and some are unblockable.
And yes, the player controlled version of Red has all the summons seen in the CPU version. I would say a player would be even more dangerous with him seeing as they wouldn’t be “random” and could set up the minions for some really interesting set-ups. Although the other three can ignore this to an extent (especially Mr. Karate) as his triple Haoh Shoku Ken can just wipe them away.
I can’t hate this game.
When it first came out on Xbox I bought the game and was humbled by some good players.
I got some matches still saved and I can upload them if anyone wants to see them.
As for a teir list; I remember one gaming magazine saying something on the lines of this…
(please don’t get pissed about this. It was an old list)
A tier: Zero, Geese, Riot Iori
B tier: Shin Akuma, Serious Mr. Karate, Mars People, Sagat, Earthquake, Tessa, Chun Li, Geonitz, Demitri (if that’s spelled right?)
C tier: Violent Ken, Terry, Kyo, Iori, Ryo, Ken, Ryu, Kim, Guile, Red what the fuck ever demon…(lol)
D tier: Mai, Athena, Kasumi, Vega, Shiki, Choi, Bison
E tier: Genjiuro, Hugo, Balrog, Dan (I think was the last one)
Again this was some old ass tier list some gaming magazine came up with.
From a friend of mine who lives up in Washinton state; he tells me an arcade of the game is still up there and the game is still being played.
Also here is the link to some random bs combo vid people came up with for the game.
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