Anybody know where to buy these sticks?? Also, anybody use or playtest these sticks for fighting games? I’d like to know how they handle certain motions, like dashes, qcf’s, hcf’s etc.
edit: Alright, found one with some light searching, would still like to hear thoughts on them though
edit 2: Got one, then bought 4 more, my thoughts are posted below.
I have a Suzo System 500 stick like they sell at Ultimarc. It is very stiff, partly due to the Cherry switches which are a lot stiffer than Happ Cherrys. The throw is very short like a Sanwa, and it has almost no dead-zone. It has a square gate as well.
And they got a 360…are these joysticks even worth the money?
xqoole; I’ve not played with one, but I have read about that stick, and its the only inductive one I’ve heard of. I toyed with the idea of trying to mimic it in a Sanwa, but I don’t think there’s enough room on the PCB for those coils.
The idea is great though. No clicky, no moving parts, no wear and tear at all on the PCB. Those would last far longer than any p360 or flash would, easily.
Let’s us know how it plays if you get one. And of course if you open it up, take some good pics of both sides of the PCB for me 
splendid joystick to shmups, octagonal restrictors, short throw (5,5mm) fast engage (2,5-3,5mm), imperishable - joy forever.
in fighters - easily records movements QCF, HCB, fast dash, IAD, but UIC hits in opposite direction near centring to center.
and it is ugly 
I have 3 I modified it balttop sanwa
PCB has 4 potentiometers, 2 control of axis X and Y. third potentiometer regulates mode 4/8 way. 4 be not able to identify which causes exactly.
I’d also like to know how well they work for fighting games. They sure are ugly though.
UNI does not be produce, there is no joysticks in SUZO catalogue, but ID is 29-0208. In Holland only 20joystick are on storage, 32mm balltop diameter - this information has 1,5-2 years.
In this week I ordered two next UIC from SUZO Poland. I did not get information yet when they will come from Holland.
Alright,
I picked up one of these sticks and I got to say I am done buying any more sticks (except for 4 more suzos as they are getting more rare). This is by far the best stick I have ever used. Before I get into the specifics, I should note that I am a pretty new stick player and have been trying out a bunch of different sticks to switch to, so take this info for what it’s worth, as it’s quite possible I haven’t given certain sticks enough time to get accustomed to. Anyway, this stick is the clear winner of all the ones I’ve tried, fantas, crowns, sanwas, seimitsus, happ supers, comps, and p360s.
The stick itself has a really short throw, shorter than any other stick I’ve tried. It has a somewhat stiff spring, although it’s not super stiff, like a new p360, it’s definitely stiffer than a sanwa though. The motion of the stick is unique in that it is circular except for these 8 ribs or splines that creat a bumpy feel as you rotate the stick around. For me, this is perfect for fighting games. I can feel exactly where I’m at, yet I have no problems rolling motions for supers. The splines are great for hitting a diagonal or any direction quickly, as two splines guide the stick the proper direction. It’s a different feel than the sanwa octagon gate. It feels like you hit something flat when you do a direction quickly, and it holds the direction more than a sanwa octagonal gate does. With a sanwa octagonal gate, to get to the next direction (from say down-right to right), you slide the actuator across a fairly slippery straight section of the gate, with the suzo, you have to push over a spline or bump. It’s easy to do quick accurate motions, on most sticks I have trouble doing ryu’s forward flying hurricane kick
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but it comes out easily on the suzo. The obvious nice feature about the suzo is that it doesn’t have microswitches as it uses induction to sense directional input. It is very sensitive, fireballs and dashes come out with no effort. What is cool about the suzo is that is has a couple different pots (as kowal mentioned) that can be tweaked to adjust the stick. One pot centers the x axis, so when you turn it all the way to one extreme, your character will be constantly walking one way and vice versa for turning the pot the other way. Obviously for the x axis, you want to tweak it to the very middle. The other pot does the y axis, and once again, it’s probably best to set it in the middle, although I could see some possible advantages of making the up direction slightly hard to hit. Another pot (which is accessible without having to take the bottom cover off) adjusts the sensitivity, so you can make it engage very early, or very late, even making it so you can’t hit the diagonals, i.e. 4 way, which was the intended use. There is a fourth pot, but I haven’t messed with it yet. My stick needed to be adjusted out of the box as it wouldn’t let me hit the diagonals on the right side, so I needed to tweak the x axis pot.
Anyway, I don’t know if I feel like writing any more about the stick right now, but if you have some questions, feel free to ask. Oh, and I should have a big sale in the trading outlet soon getting rid of all the I don’t want now, happ supers (new), comps, p360s(new), sanwa jlfs, crowns, and some other stuff I’m forgetting. Not sure if I want that 2p astro panel I just bought either now. We’ll see.
A couple more things on the suzo. As kowal mentioned, it can hit other directions if you hold the hold stick all the way to the side and let it bounce back to the center, but it’s a very small deflection, and ends very quickly (much faster than any happ), and the other directions only register because the stick was set (how I was playing it) on a very quick engagement. This never really came into play when using the stick, at least for me.
As to mounting the stick, I had it set up like a sanwa (balltop about 23-25mm above panel) but a bit higher. Never got around to trying the recommended height as per the manufacturer, with the raised based coming out of the panel slightly, but I don’t think it would work as well. And as to the the balltop thing, I don’t mind the feel of it and probably won’t change it, but kowal I believe has some handles he’d be willing to sell that you can put onto the suzo allowing you to use a sanwa balltop. I kind of like the look of the stick though, it looks like the kind of thing you’d find on a really old star wars arcade cabinet. Not sure if it’s going to look that great in the usual custom stick though.
One thing I really like about the suzo is that I can do 2x qcf motions on it like I would doing one of guile or bison’s supers (which I like to do sometimes when starting in a crouching or crouching back situation, the 2x qcf that is)
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Meaning I can start out in the down or down back position and hit back and forth from forward, and the super will come out, with minimal grinding along the restrictor. For some reason, on all my microswitch joysticks, this technique basically would not work with any consistency. Especially my octagonal gate jlf, the diagonal would get missed much of the time, even when making absolutely sure I was riding the restrictor the whole way. The faster I did the motion, the less it came out, makes me wonder if microswitches can’t reset themselves quickly enough for these situations. The p360 works for this, but kind of needs increased diagonals to make this work better (so you don’t have to be riding the absolute bottom of the circular restrictor the whole way) and lacks the nice restrictor feel of the suzo.
One thing I don’t know is if the suzo will work fine with PSX 3.3 voltages. It’s only supposed to take 4.75 to 5.25 volts. I’m actually thinking of using four AA rechargeable batteries in a 4x AA battery holder (makes a grand total of 4.8 volts using nimh batteries) , but I don’t know if this stick going to suck the juice out too quickly. I don’t think it will, but I could be totally wrong. Anybody done a similar thing powering a p360??
I had a battery pack for my p360. Id say it lasted a week with about 1-2 hours of play. I had a switch to kill the power when it was not in use. Sometimes Id forget to turn off the switch so the pack lasted about 4 days. Started getting expensive changing out the batteries, so I just wired up a dual shock pcb. If I do decide to do it again, Ill buy rechargeable batteries.
But that stick sounds very interesting. I think I saw that stick in use on a video of this guy doing iws with King in t5 training mode.
How much did this cost you + shipping? Are you in the states?
Actually, the stick is pretty cheap buying it here in the states. I bought my first one for 17.99 plus 3 bucks shipping, and I bought four more at 17.99 and it was still only 3 bucks shipping. Quite a deal. I bought them from TNT amusements:
http://www.tntamusements.com/frameset.htm
You kind of have to hunt for them, it’s in the marketplace store, under “everything else.” The guy from TNT said they had like 24 left. You can also get them from groovy game gear or something like that, but they are $33 or so plus shipping.
might buy 2 to check em out. thanks for the info man.
If anyone coudl take pics of both sides of the PCB, I’d appreciate it I understand how the induction works, but which chips they’re using to pulse the coils would be nice to know.
Hope you like 'em if ya do try them out. My opinion may not not be shared by everyone so i hope I don’t lead you into buying anything you don’t like, but it would be interesting to see what others say about them.
King vs penguins? probably guy on video is AC, he plays on this joystick (coincontrol)http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=HlSMUKS-dsw
http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=135760
he is similar to SuzoSTC.
yeah i think thats the video.
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How are these things with 360 motions?
I’m looking for a new stick, and this one sounds pretty interesting.
Very appreciated, thanks!
EDIT: Whats the number on the chip in the lewer left? The SN7?H???
sn74hc? j/2 n