SUPERCADE IS AMAZING! Supercade over GGPO

kevgeez · March 15, 2011, 2:43am

I’ll try to get supercade to work again…it didnt last time.

I use Aero without the transparency.
Add that with my video card (128mb) and 4BGs of RAM.
These are only recent additions though.

Elton_Chong · March 15, 2011, 3:04am

Such a shame that GGPO is likely to be consigned to the dustbin of history. I love the layout of GGPO and from what i hear Supercade is nowhere near as fun.

blinky77 · March 15, 2011, 3:55am

The future of GGPO is going to be in video games sold to retail such as that new DBZ game and (hopefully) Tekken Tag 2, TxSFxT, etc.

I don’t think the client is part of that future, sadly.

TheUtilityGirl · March 15, 2011, 1:53pm

If someone could help me fix my problem with supercade it would be appreciated

Grog · March 15, 2011, 6:20pm

I understand that spectating is fun but honestly that was my least favorite part of GGPO. It doesn’t happen with everyone but for me at least when someone started to spectate me playing I’d literally get a half to full second freeze and it just got too tiresome. Maybe something could be made to where spectating is optional, yet default is still no, and if either player keeps it off then it’s impossible. Not sure how that could even be done though without a major overhaul of everything.

Kuroppi · March 15, 2011, 8:01pm

I think a lot of players would love to see an option like that, maybe where the host decides whether there are spectators or not.

damdai · March 15, 2011, 8:30pm

I’ll look into implementing this as soon as I have some time. Been very busy last few weeks.

TheUtilityGirl · March 16, 2011, 3:43am

Any clues damdai on to why it won’t install for me? I had it installed previously uninstalled and recently i tried to reinstall after a format did everything got framework etc i click install it does nothing in I.E, So i figure let me redownload firefox does nothing other then tries to have me dl the application file but i know i have .net4 and framework assistant for firefox

damdai · March 16, 2011, 7:14am

Did you do the uninstall through add/remove programs?

TheUtilityGirl · March 16, 2011, 10:52am

no it wouldn’t uninstall that way for some reason had to find everything on supercade and delete the folders

Wolmar · March 16, 2011, 4:12pm

Wow great new interface ! Love that.

kevgeez · March 17, 2011, 2:14am

Roybeezy in da Heezy—Fo SHEEZY…

R0y_Bisel:

SuperCade is superior to GGPO in so many ways I don’t have enough time or space to type all this shit out. To the untrained eye, it seems like SuperCade is worse than GGPO. But I firmly believe that’s only because these same folks got so used to playing on GGPO that playing on anything else feels different, foreign, or ‘worse’. I’ll repeat some of the same points that Damdai has already mentioned earlier in the thread as to why SuperCade is a better choice right now.

#1 Reason without a doubt is — Connectivity. I’ve played Professor Jones from France, Gibs from France, Prietest from Trinidad, Damdai from NY, Murderbydeath from Ohio, Marsgattai from PA, dbostick from CA, mikeidge from NJ, just to name a few players from all over the country/world. Now having said that, not one single time did I have to a) rechallenge, b)get a black screen of death, c) experience any other bad connection. GGPO is famous for its connectivity problems which still remain unexplained to this day. It’s extremely hard to run a tournament, or hell, even play a casual match on an emulator/client in which you have to worry about the problems mentioned above. It’s hard to care about playing after trying to challenge someone 45x in a row, relogging, quintuple challenge, leaving the lobby, and doing backflips just to get the connection to work.

#2 – Speed, frameskips and dropped inputs. Being a player that plays mainly on arcade…I speak for the players that need a platform in which they can play good competition in an emulation that is as close as possible to the arcade. It is MUCH easier playing on SuperCade and then translating what you’ve practiced on an arcade board than it is to do the same thing from GGPO to arcade board.

—The speed on SuperCade Turbo 2 is much closer to the actual arcade speed than Turbo 2 is on GGPO. Even Turbo 1 on GGPO is bad, and Turbo 3 is just pure insanity. Most old school players prefer to play on the fastest speed possible as this was the tournament and casual standard back in the day. However, if you try to match that on GGPO, the frameskip, dropped inputs and speed are so far off…that if you tried to immediately play on the arcade version it takes a much longer adjustment period than it should. The main objective when creating emulations is to EMULATE the arcade verson as closely as possible, and in ST’s case since it is still a tournament game, it needs to be as arcade perfect as possible. GGPO does not provide this experience for ST.

#3 Spectator join/leave lag – Even though I like being able to spectate a match while it’s actually happening and see the players talking shit in the lobby in between rounds (it simulates real life hype)…it does the game no favors when there’s constantly people joining and leaving causing pauses at critical times during a match.

I could go on and on but I think I’ve made my point. If folks want ST to live on, we need the best possible platform to play it on as online fighting games is giving players the best chance to play competition from all over the world at any given time. GGPO is not the best platform to be playing ST on at this moment. Give SuperCade a chance and play more than 2 matches and you will see the difference.

However, if you’re just the average, casual player…then GGPO is probably the best client for you to play on. You don’t need to worry about translating your skills to an arcade board. You’ll never have to adjust to the game speed change. I get that. But, ask around to those players who started playing ST on GGPO and then played for the first time on arcade board. Listen to their response. Every single person will say ‘It’s A LOT slower and smoother’ ‘A LOT more time to react to things’ ‘Can’t get away with the same stuff’ ‘Very enjoyable’. You will get a better, arcade-feeling experience playing on SuperCade.

…My Neezy.

Man stop making these long ass posts.
:wasted:

I wanna just say that a true arcade experience is like when other people can look and comment in a lobby type setting.
Think about how arcades used to be around America.
You are thinking of the actual play of an arcade.
I’m thinking of the overall Arcade.

papasi · March 17, 2011, 2:49am

IMHO if you make spectate optional and off by default, might as well not bother spending time to implement that feature.

Look at HDR, default is 6 ppl room, default is remix mode, not classic, default network setting, etc etc. 90% of people will use default.

Rather than that, can’t we try to overcome this technical problem?

Maybe only allow spectator to join before/after a round is started? Maybe block people > 200ms from spectate? Maybe we can solve this without any limitation at all?

I really don’t know. But spectate is what makes ggpo fun / hype.

R0y_Bisel · March 17, 2011, 11:59am

I like being able to spectate. I have mentioned the function of ‘limiting specs time to join/leave’ as in like the first 30 secs of a match they can join. If you leave after that, you cannot come back to the same match. That would be a good option if it was possible.

TheUtilityGirl · March 17, 2011, 3:10pm

Yes def should make it so they can’t spam join and leave spectator 30sec wait limit before they can join and watch the same match again

Grog · March 17, 2011, 7:24pm

Not spectating isn’t a “problem” to everyone though, I prefer it :tup:

Seta · March 17, 2011, 9:12pm

Why don’t people just log on to both at the same time? I’m usually logged on to both so I have a bigger pool of players to choose from.

oldschool_BR · March 17, 2011, 10:11pm

This retarded “foreign player necessarily lagging shit” is certainly HDR-only. I had Japanese players watching a match of mine (now why in the world would they check a match of a scrub like me) and it did not cause trouble. The issue seems to be entering and leaving, in the current GGPO implementation.

I like papasi’s suggestion, if it feasible. Spectators would be in a kind of lobby, waiting the the rounds to end, then spectating would only start during bonus, character selection and such.

blitzfu · March 18, 2011, 3:15am

How about limiting spectators so that you can only spectate if you’ve been invited by one of the 2 players? When 2 players start a match, there is enough time during the character select screen to send an invite to whoever.

That way the only spectators allowed are controlled by the players. If they want a private match with no spectating, then no invites. Setting a limit of 6 invites per match per player is prolly reasonable. If a certain spectator is creating lag, allow one of the players to boot them and/or have the option to boot all spectators.

I’m not a programmer, but I think this can prolly be implemented by damdai or whoever.

Pasky · March 18, 2011, 4:00pm

Ehhhh?

That sounds like a headache to implement.

A better idea (assuming spectators only cause lag when they join the game to watch) is to simply only allow them to join in-between rounds. Since you already have Supercade scanning the emulator memory for the match result, just set a flag to allow spectators to join during the character select/continue/stage plane screen. Once the match begins remove the flag.

So people don’t keep hammering trying to “get in” just set the emulator with on-screen drawn text saying, “Connecting…waiting for available window” or something similar so they don’t keep closing and trying to spectate again. Of course you could set a maximum number of spectators…but why if they only lag during their initial connection? Which, with described as above…wouldn’t affect actual game play time.

Just my two cents.