Super Street Fighter II Turbo, in the house

[System_1]

you guys should make a ST section in the stragety zone it seems interest in this game has risen alot. i mean theres a cfe section and im sure way more ppl play ST. im sorry if this has been said before i just think you guys have alot of good info that should have its own area.

[System_1]

I wrote a whole bunch for that balrog section but I don’t remember what ended up in there. So here goes balrog 101:

There are 2 main styles for balrog - those who like TAP (Turn Around Punch) and those who don’t. Try to find what feels comfortable to you - I prefer to hold 3 kick buttons with my palm so that I still have access to jab, strong and fierce - leaves you with anti air (crouching fierce, standing strong, headbutt), throw, pressure (rushes), etc. TAP allows you to build up meter hella fast, keep pressure on and if used properly keeps you from being super repetitive.

There are a few tricks that while aren’t necessary to be good with Balrog - will let you jump ahead cause they are such 50/50 guessing games.:

Low Rush (Charge Back then Down/Toward +Punch) and keep the joystick held in Down/Toward which will allow you to charge up for headbutt (Charge Down then Up+Punch). You can win whole rounds just doing this dumb thing. Do Jab low rush then Jab headbutt. Throw out low strong/standing fierce to protect you then do it again. throw in some TAP’s and you’ll be winning in no time! Note: You can also do this trick with Low Kick Rush (Charge Back then Down/Toward+Kick) where it works even better since if you whiff you can now throw or do headbutt - comeplete 50/50.

When you do headbutt - perform it by doing charge down then up/back+punch. It will come out since you pressed up but by holding up/back you have now started charging for whatever. So a pretty ghetto trick that will get you far is low kick rush, headbutt then super.

Once you get bored with tricks - you should learn some real strategies with Balrog. Low Strong is your friend - no joke. I whore low strong like I’m playing Rose in A2. If it ever hits, either do another one or combo into low rush. or you can combo it into low kick rush which either knocks them down or sets up 50/50 guessing games.

Standing fierce is really good but you gotta know when to use it. Most characters can duck under it or sweep him if they are good. I use it for pressure and to hide charging but this is more of a ‘feel’ thing so just try to use it and see where you don’t get rocked for doing so. It’s good for stuffing fireballs on startup - especially against shotos/guile.

His throw is one of the best in the game and you shold abuse the hell out of it. After you are done throwing, there are more stupid mixups - walk under and low forward into throw again. Wiggle the stick like you are walking under and don’t but instead press low roundhouse to trip them up. Jump straight up fierce has some whacky properties after throw - especially since most people duck to avoid the low forward rethrow nonsense. You should always throw with strong for the most part also - if the throw misses (they try to jump out) strong has a good chance of hitting them.

You don’t really need combos - so don’t bother with those. You only need 1 IMO - low forward, low strong, low rush. You can be all technical and do stuff like low forward link into super or whatever - but all of his combos feel ‘weird’ to me (except the 3 hits of doom) and I would rather just do super or throw in most cases.

Speaking of super - it’s basically AHVB in this game. If fools flinch - super them. There are other dumb tricks he has - like kick rush into super but don’t worry about that for now. The super can be started with either punch or kick and can be juggled if they are in the air, mash on kicks if they are in the air to get kick rush animations to come out.

That should be a good enough beginning.

Derek

Thanks a lot for the info/advice! Now it’s time to practice up.

[Ouroborus]

you guys should make a ST section in the stragety zone it seems interest in this game has risen alot. i mean theres a cfe section and im sure way more ppl play ST. im sorry if this has been said before i just think you guys have alot of good info that should have its own area.

i agree

[Khiempossible]

Who can punish block Blanka ball? Everyone? How?

I know e.honda can headbutt it, and I suspect balrog can punch him, but what does everyone else have?

[System_1]

Who can punish block Blanka ball? Everyone? How?

Dic can do a feirce psycho crusher
Dee Jay can do a feirce fire ball
Blanka can do a feirce blanka ball
Boxer can use his rush moves
Claw can walk > feirce
Dhalsim can do far feirce or roundhouse

That’s all I can remember for now.

[System_1]

Everyone but Ken, Chun, Zangief, Hawk and Guile can do it. Blocking the ball while standing helps, particularly for NSagat and DJ, IIRC.

[System_1]

There is something weird I noticed with boxer’s super : sometimes the second hit will last more time than the others, which allows the blocking opponent to counter (I’ve seen people do a reversal flashkick, dp or super after the second hit). I’m sure lot of people already noticed that and my question is does that happen under specific circumstances or is it completely random ?

[NKI]

Everyone but Ken, Chun, Zangief, Hawk and Guile can do it. Blocking the ball while standing helps, particularly for NSagat and DJ, IIRC.

Chun can do super, if she has the meter.

There is something weird I noticed with boxer’s super : sometimes the second hit will last more time than the others, which allows the blocking opponent to counter

It happens when the opponent is in the corner and Boxer is about 2/3rds the screen away. He will pause either after the second or third punch, depending on the distance. The gap is actually quite big, so you do not need a reversal to beat it.

[Saotome_Kaneda]

Dic can do a feirce psycho crusher
Dee Jay can do a feirce fire ball
Blanka can do a feirce blanka ball
Boxer can use his rush moves
Claw can walk > feirce
Dhalsim can do far feirce or roundhouse

That’s all I can remember for now.

iirc old and new Sagat can do RH Tiger, unless that’s my HSF experience talking =x

[System_1]

OSagat can throw one RH tiger at Blanka and another at Blanka’s mom all before the beast hits the ground. “Jimmy! Ow!”

One note for Blanka players: even when you’re facing an opponent who can block(hit) and counter the fierce ball you still might not want to put it out of your mind completely. The thing does enough damage that using it in trades generally leaves Blanka ahead. Trading hits with Vega’s low strong (that is: blanka balls into the claw, psychic style) is good example of this. It’s a desperate trick but…

[System_1]

I agree, it’s good to use it from time to time to catch the opponent off guard. I also use it to counter tick throw attempts, very effective.

[10000_Volts]

I agree, it’s good to use it from time to time to catch the opponent off guard. I also use it to counter tick throw attempts, very effective.

Yes, I do as well. I call it “Point Blanka.”

Another thing to note for those that like to block Blanka balls and counter hit…

…watch out for the roll into bite. I like to bait people into thinking that I will just do a fierce ball and I’ll take the counter hit to put them in the frame of mind that they can counter me anytime. Then later in the match I do the same thing but this time I medium ball into bite and then the fun begins.

10K

[SaveFighting]

Anyone here have experience with the PC port of SSF2T? I was flawed when I first saw it for sale all those years a go. How was the port? I don’t think I have read too much about it on this forum.

[System_1]

I’ve only heard bad things about the PC port, can’t give you details though. But there’s no need to worry about it now that we have arcade perfect emulation of the game.

[Ryu1999]

I’ve only heard bad things about the PC port, can’t give you details though. But there’s no need to worry about it now that we have arcade perfect emulation of the game.

The PC arranged OST was too good though

[Sabin]

The PC port of ST wasn’t that good. I remember downloading a patch for 1.0 version from gametek. Fixed over like 100+ bugs or something, some of them retarded ass bugs (game crashing, unblockable moves, etc). The only reason to get it was for the music which ended up being in AE anyway

[skankin_garbage]

Hey, can anyone tell me about Guile vs Boxer? I have trouble fighting good boxers with Guile, and I don’t know if it’s just a bad match for him, or if there’s something really obvious that I’m missing…

[System_1]

Guile vs Boxer is not that easy. You really have to keep him away, because if the gets close he has so many possibilities it isn’t funny (I think that hold true for most characters, not only Guile. The basic strategy is to throw a sonic boom, then watch for his reaction. You must have an awnser for everything he does. One very good tool to use is the backfist because it can counter his jumps or nail him in the recovery of his headbutts from afar. The key is to be far enough to limit his possibilities as much as possible, but close enough to be able to counter what he does. This is just a simple description of course, I didn’t cover everything but this should get you started.

[Ryu1999]

The PC port of ST wasn’t that good. I remember downloading a patch for 1.0 version from gametek. Fixed over like 100+ bugs or something, some of them retarded ass bugs (game crashing, unblockable moves, etc). The only reason to get it was for the music which ended up being in AE anyway

AE’s soundtrack was actually the music from the 3DO version, and I THINK the disk version of PC ST. The CD version had much better music: probably the best in-game version of those classic themes.

[System_1]

What’s the arcade perfect emulation?