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I was there yesterday. Too lazy to retype what happend so I’ll cut and paste what I wrote on another forum.

There were a lot of questions about how they should design a game if they were to make another SF game. There were also questions about interest in the new SF Anniversary bundle, which would include Hyper Street Fighter and SF3:3S. They showed us some ideas for artwork for their new game and asked us which art style we liked better for art cover or advertisements (anime vs hand painted) and in general it seems like they are interested in making another SF game.

I don’t know how the group (which John Choi was a part of) after mine reacted to the various ideas.

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Yeah I was there yesterday as well. As I was leaving I saw that Choi was in a group about to head in and I would have loved to hear what he had to say.

Anyway just like stated above there were alot of general questions about what would make a great fighting game. I don’t think that Capcom really has it all wrong - I think 3rd Strike is amazing but it didn’t catch on due to the forever changed climate of the arcade scene in comparison to the early 90s.

I also got the feeling that they’re DEFINITELY looking into making a 3-D fighter. Alot of the questions were geared toward that. Thankfully everyone except for one in my group voted to stay in 2-D. I must admit that I had an agenda going in trying to sway anyone away from pushing to make a 3-D fighter and I think it worked.

As far as concrete information, there isn’t much. Right now they’re looking at putting the Hyper (Anniv.) + SFIII together for the whopping price of $29.99. Other than that I think they were just looking to get ideas.

Unfortunately, there didn’t seem to be many “hardcore” SF fans there. I’m not sure who you were Knubbe so don’t take this the wrong way. One guy said he never played 3rd Strike becuase he heard that it was just more of the same except “you just press forward and absorb some energy or something.” Also, I was the only person out of the entire group that has even seen the new SF comic. A few said they had heard of it and the others didn’t even know about it. Plus, when I mentioned that I paid almost $150 to import Hyper and mod my system just about everybody in the room looked at me like I had just suffocated a box of kittens. Guess it’s a good thing I left off the part about purchasing a new MAS stick too.

:lol:

Overall it was alot of fun and, surprisingly, talking about fighting games for an hour and a half felt like maybe 15 minutes. And you guys will be happy to know that we almost unanimously voted that the WORST idea for a new fighting game was featuring famous/celebrity characters. :slight_smile:

Anyone from the other group (6:30) have any details about goings on?

KM

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THAT’S FUCKING AWESOME… UBERZ0RZ FUCKING HOTTZZNESSZZZ, MWUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA

</being a five year old dip shit>

anyways, i’m glad people went and actually discussed this shit. i hope that capcom doesnt make another 3d fighter, because imo, the only good one was rival schools, and i didn’t like that too much. a faster, mvc2 ish type game would work, but actually if they put time and effort into it, a vampire savior game, or SF4 would probably all work. i’m in for a vampire savior 3 :slight_smile: no shitty darkforce this time though… grrr capcom grrrr!!!

some1 should have mentioned shoryuken.com, because althouh i know that this is the biggest SF community on the web, i don’t think that big corps like capcom know about us. i think that if more people knew that SRK existed, then the SF community would grow and grow. for example, gamepro once mentioned that the best SC2 players go to soulcalibur.com, and i remember that month a TON of members were popping up. i don’t really hang on the stats there, so i don’t know the specifics, but knew that it went up significantly. they also did the same with ddrfreak.com. i don’t think alot of people know about srk, even though we have around the same amount of members, DDRfreak with about 35k, and SC.com with about 13k. we’re right in between

another thing is that alot of noobs that come to gamefaqs and ask LEGIT questions get whored on by shit heads like mike yo and jagnashi. what ends up happening is that they give them false or fucked up info, like strider solo > magneto + assist for free… and the noobs become scrubs themselves. the good players rarely even answer anymore just to avoid shit with those two scrubs and whoever else wants to put up false info, or shit info. if they came here, the false informers would be flamed the fuck to hell, and the noobs will start on the right path. i think that being most top player post here in all capcom games, it’s safe to say that they’ll be given better information, and possibly compete. i remember that i was the biggest scrub on gamefaqs for a while, until people like kaising set me straight and i recovered from that mess, and came here and then got good knowledge to be able to play decently. it’s just that gamefaqs is more known to all gamers, so noob fighters go there, when they should go to the site of their gaming choice, whether it be here, gamecombos (when it’s back up), soulcalibur.com, tekkenzaibatsu, fierceslash, that virtua fighter one…, or wherever else have you.

my recent experience teaching a noob, sirleschner gives me hope that there IS talent on the horizon, but going to gamefaqs wont show it. SRK is where it’s at, IMO, to become GOOD at street fighter. you wont get good by people telling you to go into training mode and try these random combos out. you get good by challenging people and going to an arcade and playing them. people will get tehir best challenges by talking to people here. it just so happened that sirleschner lives relatively close to me, about 20 minutes, so we can actually go play each other, and i can show him shit. he’s good at ST, and he’s been showing me stuff in taht game… although he’s not tournie good, or as good as the xperts here, he’s better than me.

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choi told them about evo tournaments and other stuffs… well… i shoudlnt post for him. it’s better if he could post the stuffs himself.

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and H-king, I hear PJ(rival schools 2) was supppose to be alot better than the first

and i been trying to guide this dude on his ideas for vs3(ds4) on the capcom boards(pg as hell:-)

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i have project justice. it is better, but i still don’t like the gameplay. it feels too jerky.

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Hey dudes, this is my first post here. I was part of the 6:45 PM focus group. I’m not a real total hardcore fighter fan like some of you guys, and I didn’t even know who John Choi was until today, so it must sound like a sin to you guys that I didn’t know who he was, even though I was sitting right next to him at the focus group! :lol:

Anyway, in our group, about more than half favored 2D over 3D. No one in our group favored celebrites/Hollywood characters in fighting games as well. That’s what Def Jam Vendetta is for (and when the guy asked if we liked DJV, everyone said they hated it). They asked us if we prefered 60 FPS or 30 FPS. Everyone chose 60 FPS…kinda a dumb question. The majority in our group wanted online play in future console fighting games, as long as it isn’t laggy. There was one odd question that they asked us, and that was if EA was to make a fighting game, what should they do in order to beat Capcom at their own game? They’re probably referring to the EA vs Marvel game. I think I remember someone in our group suggesting that they should partner up with a company that has done fighting games, like Sammy. They also asked us if we preferred graphics like Metal Gear Solid, Devil May Cry, Onimusha, etc. or games with digitized faces like Max Payne (in regards to the next Street Fighter game). I think the majority went towards the MGS,DMC,Onimusha route. Another question they asked is if we would be interested in seeing a new Street Fighter game made with Viewtiful Joe cel shaded type graphics. About half of us (there were 9 partcipants) were interested in a cel shaded Street Fighter, including John if I remember. I also remember someone suggesting that they should include the bonus stages like the car and barrels from SF2 to the next SF. There was also an idea proposed to us about customizble characters. I think almost everyone favored this idea. Customizable characters meaning beyond just the looks/color of the chracter. Like you would be able to customize their attributes, their fighting style, their special moves, etc. Don’t know how they would implement it but it sounded interesting. I think that’s all I can remember…it was a pretty interesting though. I just wished it was done at Capcom’s headquarters directly instead at some 3rd party research company. The guy conducting our session even admitted that he wasn’t really a big fan of video games. It’s a shame it wasn’t at Capcom too cause I partcipated at a Capcom focus group in December 2003, and it was pretty cool since the sessions were done directly with Capcom’s teams. Oh well…still better than nothing. At least these focus groups will somewhat influece Capcom for the next fighitng game.

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customizing your character completely? sounds like project justice… basically… they can only do it with a 3d game… unless they do shit like…

u get 50 points… what character design…

ryu…

hadoken… (small - 3 points, medium - 5 points, large - 10 points)

crap like that where u could just adjust the moves that they do, not like, giving a ryu sprite psycho crusher or thousand hand slaps

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Ah I know who you are. I was in the same group as you, my name is Philip. Good thing I didn’t mention how much I’ve spent on sticks too…

I figured someone else from SRK was there just didn’t bother asking.

Also, a lot of their questions were kinda abstract and hard to answer, like “What would you look for in a new character”

Ya I was surprised how little some people there knew about the newer games, even though they’re a few years old. Only half the people in there knew about the Guilty Gear series.

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how about… not a shoto clone, not a gay looking frenchman with an soldier’s moves, not an alien…etc… look at some of the new KoF designs. IMO, some are really fucking awesome. also, anime inspired characters. look at guilty gear’s character design.

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Someone mentioned something about Guilty Gear when they asked us what we would like in a new character. Hopefully they’ll check Guilty Gear over if Capcom decides to make a new character. But yeah, those questions were pretty tough to answer

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Mixah get your facts straight.

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mind elaborating jared? i’ve said alot

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WTH, they got people that dont even know anything about fighting games going to the survey. why thats really wise of capcom to choose people that dont even know a thing about fighting games except do something new:mad: well at least john choi was there. so far things sound good, but what will the future hold for capcom now???:cool:

(wish SNKP would do this kind of thing too so someone can tell there candy ass to stop using that sorry ass MVS system.)

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Did They Ask About Online Play?

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Check your pm’s. I hate on people for posting 1v1 convos on threads so I’m not gonna be a hypocrite =p.

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i replied

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Ah, good to know it was you Philip! I thought you were the only other decent person in the room :stuck_out_tongue:

Anyway, it’s very important to remember when reading this feedback that we weren’t in a dialogue-type situation with the game makers themselves. We were answering questions posed to us by a 3rd party researcher who was more or less clueless (by his own admission). Occasionally the people watching would pass a note through and we’d answer a specific question from them but there was really no give and take. We were just answering questions.

I forgot about the cel-shaded part… that was one of the last questions they asked. We were all pretty receptive to it and I honestly wouldn’t mind as long as it’s not overly childlike. I also wrote on my survey that I wouldn’t mind seeing a SF RPG if done correctly possibly with SD characters (like the import only Neo CD Samurai Showdown RPG from many years ago)

They were also asking tons of questions about what we’d like to see in a new character but I really think they were barking up the wrong tree. Personally I think the characters from the SF games even including 3rd Strike are pretty great. It’s just about making them relevant and usable.

But the answer of the night had to be this:

Researcher: Do you think Capcom is the #1 fighting game company?
Idiot: No I don’t
Researcher: Well who is the best then?
Idiot: Hmmm… I’d have to think about that.
[pauses for a little bit]
Idiot: Actually I’d have to say that there is no #1.

Yep, that’s pretty much what we were dealing with.

Also, I think it’s important to note that at one time we broached the $$$ vs. meaning critique. Someone mentioned that if they make another SF game it would be great fan service but it might not sell. Therein lies the conundrum. I KNOW that most of “us” don’t want to see some Soul Calibur-ish 3-D Street Fighter. It just wouldn’t be right. (If I’m speaking grossly out of turn then I apologize but I’m pretty sure I’m with the majority here.) But when it comes to “them”, the mainstream consumer, they don’t care about Street Fighter’s rich nostalgic history. They aren’t the ones buying Capcom’s art books. All they see when they look at a recent Street Fighter game is graphics that look too “old”. So if Capcom caters to “us”, they do so at the risk of alienating a new audience.

It’s just like the rapper who has crazy skills on the mic but who squanders his talent by making wannabe radio songs in the hopes that he can get “paid”. Should he stay true to the art form and make the best and most meaningful songs he can? Or should he sell out and change his style to sound like everyone else so he can hopefully get a bigger slice of the pie at the end of the day?

Based on the questions that were posed I honestly think they’re trying to do a little of both which is admirable. I know that Capcom won’t be quick to turn their backs on the fans that helped to build the company in the first place.

KM

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thanks for replying to the thread. I’m really interested in what everyone else has to say if they went. The only thing that i’m getting mad about are the people who went and knew nothing about fighting games. If i was there, and some idiot who didn’t even play said some dumb shit, he would’ve caught a left hook, seriously. This is our chance to get a new SF and i don’t want some scrub ruining it.