CAN ANYONE tell me the monitors that were used at the MadCatz exhibition (9/20/13) in Japan (Daigo 10-2)
They were white or silver in the back, they looked gorgeous!
or you can stfu and appreciate that someone is giving a heads up on a good, cheap monitor that i have experienced no difference in gameplay wise to a crt. all ive played on is crt up until this monitor, and it was no adjusting necessary due to lag. in game mode of course. ive played on shitty monitors before, shitty monitors on ps3, evo standard monitor on shitty ps3, etc…, and yeah the one i got is just fine for everything i play from bayonetta to kof 13. hd takuma charge combos come out just fine, everything else is just fine.
id like to think i know what the fuck im feeling and talking about as an avid competitive player for almost a decade now who is very outspoken against laggy anything, and stuck to a crt forever just to avoid any possible issues. i was going to ignore you, but i couldnt. lol. dont be such a dick because youre bored. plus i kinda took offense to it, that my word is garbola, and i play fighting games more then most people on this site im sure.
i think online it has the lag listed as 5ms, but whatever on that. i know what i need to feel in order to play what i enjoy, and it provided that without a doubt. no problem with 1 frame links in kof 13 on the first day i tried the monitor after not playing for a couple months is definitely a good sign.
Or you can say nothing if you have nothing nice to say.
“a heads up” that is great, you made a post with an opinion. Opinions are like ass holes, everyone got one and they all stink.
If you read the actual guide at the beginning of the thread as well as the over all theme of the thread is getting actual measurable and accurate figures to go by with methodology and procedures that can be reproduced.
“competitive player for almost a decade” I been playing video games before most of you are born, who cares. The statement you played video games competitively does not make you a instant expect in SRK.
Hell a good 75% of the members of this site can claim to be professional competitive players, another 20% can claim they know some form of IT, Electronic Engineering, or some other applicable applied science that ties in with the engineering and programing of video games and their accessories. The Remaining 5% are newbies or merchants or gaming industry folk.
Just because you do not notice any lag with a single game on your Xbox 360 does not validate any factual or statistical information.
Sitting there doing actual measured and recorded testing with testing methods and procedures that can be followed and reproduced makes a test scientific.
Playing KoF XIII for an hour is not scientific, the statement at that point “I do not notice any lag” would be an opinion not fact.
I think my cheap as shit 26" Dynex HD TV does not lag. It does not mean its a good buy, it means I do not notice anything in my normal game play.
hi there, i have a crt monitor and i’d like to buy an lcd monitor. i’ve seen some pictures of the ASUS VE247H that is sold in italy too… Is it good? if not, could you recommend another excellent monitor that i can easily buy on european websites?
Nobody else knows what you feel, and lots of people have reported that laggy sets felt fine to them. It’s not that hard.
Any set up to about 2 or 3 frames of lag won’t be noticeable. It isn’t until you get to the 5 frame range that you start to feel it, yet you would be hard pressed to see it. 8 frames and beyond is very noticeable even visually. So, the guy could be playing on a monitor with 3 frames of lag and not notice, and probably thinks the 5 ms (most likely response time) he read about online is the actual lag number. Maybe I’m wrong about the response thing though, but the other point still stands.
Scientific testing only, please.
whatever, i was just giving my opinion on the monitor based off of my own experience as a non scrub who has played up until he got that monitor on crt exclusively. funny thing is, if i said that about the evo monitor, i bet it woulda gotten shitted on as an opinion before the facts came out, then everyone gets to shut the fuck up as usual. maybe i will look into fully testing it and getting some numbers just so the bored internet guys can be like, “okay you were right, you shoulda just did that at first you jerk”. lol.
you want hard numbers, you may get em (if i feel like doing it), but dont just shit on experience as if that holds absolutely no worth whatsoever. i didnt come in here being a condescending prick. i was just sharing some info you guys could roll with and see if its a good fit for you, not, OMG THIS MONITOR IS THE BEST AND LAGLESS BUY IT NOW OR YOURE STUPID. it was turned into a pissing contest by nobodies and a dude who just argues to argue half the time on srk and sucks at fg’s.
if you think i could be playing on a crt for ten years competitively (local, tourney, at home in practice mode for hours on hours), played on shitty laggy monitors with both systems, shitty ps3 on crt, evo monitor on xbox 360, evo monitor on shitty ps3, etc…, take 2 months off while moving, then immediately step back into doing 1 frame links in kof 13 with ease, doing everything i was doing in umvc3 with ease, doing roms, fly unflys with ease in mvc2, and its just me making shit up about what i feel vs facts, and not that the monitor may be, i dont know, fucking good, then youre fucking nuts.
its one thing to be like, well ive only played kof 13, umvc3, mvc2, gg, etc… on this one hdtv, lcd monitor, lcd tv, and omg this one is so much better, and another to go from the safe bet “lagless” standard of crt for a decade, and do everything i did on that with ease on a new supposedly low lag monitor made by the same company that made the old evo monitor. yes i understand the company name is of little relevance, but it says something about what they were doing right.
i would like to think if the monitor was that shitty, i would fucking immediately know considering the hours of time i put on it, and have since that initial post. if the monitor is still shitty by numbers, then its not shitty enough for me, or for any of you to even feel or experience anything different then what you are use to at least when it comes to fighting games, and 60fps hack n slash games like bayonetta and dmc.
i dont know what kind of ego trip this part of the srk forums is on, but you all definitely need to relax and get off your high horse. im the dick head because i shared some good info on my experience with a good low priced monitor made by the same company who makes the evo monitor, not the blatantly condescending dicks who followed me?
if you want more info, search the internet like i did for that monitor for hours and see what you find. maybe if i find the time or care to, i will do a proper test to give you cornballs some numbers for you to circle jerk off of, but i doubt it. can’t have nothing nice without a rack of depressed, angry at their own lives dicks trying to argue some shit that no one was even debating really.
but yeah, youre all right, its all in my head, and what i feel is wrong. im just hitting the same 1 frame links and hard cviper feint cancel combos with ease because im making it all up in my mind, not that i actually did some decent research and ended up getting a great monitor for a good price, because OMG THAT IS TOO MUCH TO THINK THAT SOMEONE GOT A MONITOR IN 2013 THAT IS LOW LAG, EQUIVALENT OR BETTER THEN THE EVO MONITORS. OMG, HOW DID THAT HAPPEN. lol
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You read my first point? It’s easy to game on a monitor with 3 frames of lag and not really notice. People want #'s so they can make an informed decision, that’s all. What if someone takes your word for it that the monitor is fine to game on, purchases it, tests it, and it turns out to be 3 frames when that person really wanted 1 frame? That’s the difference between “hey this monitor feels ok” and “hey, this monitor has 1 frame of lag, here are the tests.”
Surely you can see how this affects the thread?
Anyway, enjoy your new monitor, if you ever get the numbers I’m sure people would like to see them. Take care.
i wasnt talking to you. lol. i was talking to everyone before you really. i just didnt feel like quoting them. which i think was clear considering i didnt mention anything that relevant to what you said to argue with you. you were in agreement with me for the most part.
Seriously, chill with the essays. Players with as much history and more accomplishments than you have made erroneous claims about how much a monitor lags. I don’t know why you’re taking it like it’s some kind of personal insult that people don’t assume Jimmy1200 of all people is omniscient when it comes to display lag when dudes who win tournaments make mistakes. One person said we need more scientific tests (which echos the point of this thread which is stated in the first fucking post) and you started acting like a child.
If you want to be appreciated, then you have to provide something of value.
All I hear is the salty cries of a scrub. If you really are that good, you would let your gaming skills speak for themselves instead of the constant bragging.
No one gives a flying flaming shit here if you play semi-professionally. Real pros already done all there homework on frame rate (or just don’t care) and know your gut feeling isn’t good enough (unless you have some spectacular super human vision).
Yeah see this, we don’t need this here. That does not help anyone, neither is your whole paragraph about nothing. If you didn’t come off so angry you could run for political office.
See that was fine, you had an opinion, someone else asked for more HARD FIGURES just say you can not offer anything more than your own thoughts and feelings and later down the line someone else will come up with some test data, it would be that easy.
But no, you had to go and turn nasty. Look we’re a bunch of frame counting Psychos here, and would look at every possible aspect to improve our game. Look we are the crazy fuckers that look into the medical field, study up biomechanics to see what is the medical pros and cons of Gamepad vs Arcade Stick play. These are the kind of HARD CORE GAMERS who use top of the line photography equipment to count individual frames, and how the frame count causes certain moves to lag by a frame, I can even give you a Psychological explanation why your own eyes and reflexes alone isn’t good enough to detect 3 frames or less of lag. Google this term up Phi phenomenon . Phi Phenomenon is why you see a image on a TV screen or the screen from the movie theater as a moving image instead of a series of static images. Incorrectly referred to as Persistence of vision which that theory got debuked as there holes in the threory that Phi phenomenon covers.
Yeah we are that hard core that Psychology and Medicine are used to improve our game (as well as technology).
There is even a thread on SRK, some guy got (almost) every version of Street Fighter II for each system from the SNES/Genesis Era, PS1, PS2, Dreamcast up to the PS3 and Xbox 360 with HD Remix.
This includes many arcade cabinet motherboards, CPS2 for example. Each game was tested on two different screens, a High end Sub-frame lag HD LCD TV and a High end CRT screen (I forgot if its a Trinitron TV or a PVM Monitor) and using several grand in video and photography equipment that dude counted frames, for every game on both monitors. Then the dude graph this data and show the frame lag on each console/system for both screen types. And We still nitpick his test data.
I’m not sure I’ve seen someone miss the point so spectacularly, in a long time.
thank god I’m not good enough at SF4 yet to even give a shit about any of this. However, I guess my LED is pretty decent after looking it up. 24in SMART LED 5ms
Do you guys know the input lag for the AOC i2367FH? http://www.amazon.com/dp/B009V8F700/?tag=pcpapi-20
Also curious about the Asus VN248H http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236335&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction--na--na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=
I’m looking for an ips monitor with low input lag and i like how these monitors have built in speakers and two hdmi inputs so i can plug in both my ps3 and computer.
Have the Asus VS247H-P in my mind too, but it has one hdmi and no speakers. If I get this one, I will just buy speakers and a hdmi switch. http://www.amazon.com/Asus-VS247H-P-23-6-Inch-Full-HD-LED-Lit/dp/B005BZNDS0/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1380869273&sr=8-1&keywords=asus+vs+247h
i use the vn248h. no one who’s played on my h2h setup has complained, and considering the people, i’d say that means its pretty good.
Anybody have any stats on the ASUS VS228H? I got it as a present and it seems really nice but I’m not sure on the input lag. Can’t find a number anywhere or even a comparison of its response time with other monitors. It’s advertised as 5ms but i’m fairly certain it isn’t actually 5ms.
Anyone who plays on a tv and claims “not to feel any lag” is either just a very bad player or never played on a “lagless” ips monitor. I can just shake my head in wonder.
I have a <16ms Panasonic Plasma tv (game mode: I think the values for the tvs are without the response time for the pixels) and a Samsung Syncmaster P2250 (12ms lag + response).
The difference is very! noticable. You can play on the plasma tv for sure, and you can play good. But there is a very noticable difference, the monitor performs a lot better, and its not even a “good” monitor, would like to play a IPS panel one. It’s the most noticable by moving your character from right to left in fast alternation, or in general with the joystick movements or jumping, not so with single button presses.
I would suggest everyone to buy a cheap 22" ips monitor for gaming and a big (50"+) cheap (LED LCD) TV for watching movies, in the end its cheaper and a better setup for both then the plasma solution.
How do you guys get into flame wars in a thread about monitors? Ya’ll some tight ass motherfuckers.
No, you don’t actually, all Panny plasma TV are at least 2 frames of lag, which is > 16 ms and the bare minimum recorded is 24 ms which is a U54 model. Most of them are in the mid to upper 30 range, usually 34 to 38.
The difference isn’t visually noticeable actually until you start to hit the 100 ms range, which is about 7 frames of lag. You don’t start to feel it until about 4 or 5 frames of lag, but you can’t see it. This is scientifically proven, and if you think you can notice the difference between 2 frames of lag and 1 then you’re insane. From your own claim you think your TV is less than 16 ms and you claim you can tell the difference between it and a monitor at 12 ms, which is a 4 ms difference? Physically impossible. I would prove this with double blind testing if I had the set up possible to do it, but I don’t. I’d even invite you to it and have you as part of the experiment just to prove you wrong, lol.
So you suggest everyone to buy a random cheap monitor with no knowledge of what the lag is and then a cheap big screen with no knowledge of what lag that is, too? Pretty nuts, dude. People also do care about display quality, and often cheap does not get you good quality. The purpose of the database is to find a nice middle ground of great quality display with good input lag, since these days it’s impossible to find a quality display with no lag.
For what it’s worth I come from a background of CRT gaming and still have a CRT monitor, and I play games fine on a display with 5 frames of lag. Yeah, I can feel the difference, it’s a tad bit delayed but it isn’t something I can really see it’s more of a feel. But say my display was 2 frames of lag, I wouldn’t be able to tell, visually or otherwise.