I just got an 23" Asus VS239H-P LED IPS monitor that I’d like to share.
I needed a monitor for photo editing and gaming since my VH236H “evo monitor” can’t do both. IPS panels tend to be expensive but the VS239H-P fits my budget (retails for $170). Out of the box, VS239H-P colors are amazing!! I play GGAC+ on my 360 via HDMI, no problems with lag and ghosting whatsoever. I can consistently do my FRCs. I have yet to test it playing SSF4. I’ve used both monitors for gaming and I couldn’t really tell the difference in lag. On paper, VS239H-P is 3ms slower than the VH236H.
I did the lag test on both monitors side by side connected to a PC. Both monitors were cloned and connected to one video card via x2 DVI ports. The results are pretty close.
The only con with this monitor is that it doesn’t have built-in speakers. You may however connect speakers via 3.5mm jack on the monitor. It will output sound there with the HDMI connected. I’m very happy with this monitor. If I get more funds, I’d buy another one.
Turn off all the extra video options, like Dynamic Contrast Ratio. I have no experience with Toshibas, but it’s generally located at Advanced Video Setting. It’s not a certain fix, so you should consider returning it.
On another note, my Dell S2230MX came in today. I tested it out in umvc3 combos, 3s parrying, and rockband blitz, and it feels just like playing on a CRT TV and looks way better than my stock Asus monitor. Even without the proper comparison with a CRT monitor I have to say the S2230MX and S2330MX are exactly the same in input lag and visual performance, just different sizes.
Question: Do other states have to pay recycling fees on monitor purchases? $9 CA recycling fee is annoying.
If that model also proves to be sub 16ms input lag, I’m sure a lot of players would love the upgrade from the standard 22-23 inch monitor, to a 27 inch one that is still relatively affordable, compared to the somewhat proven $600 3D variant that has very low input lag.
I second the test on the VS278Q-P. I’ve been eye’ing that monitor for a while but have yet to get it since i could not find any concrete input lag tests on it but everything else on it looks really good.
I’d like to offer a counter-opinion on the VS239H-P. I picked it up from Frys in Renton today after reading this post. I already own the VH236H, and have been pretty happy with it for the whole week of ownership (hah!)
So the comparison is as follows:
1.) The VH236H makes a small buzzing sound below 90 brightness. You only notice this in an extremely quiet environment. I didn’t hear any such thing on the VS239H-P/
2.) The VH236H and the VS239H-P have very similar input lag, with the VH236H winning this one ONLY slightly in terms of pixel response times. You’d be happy with either. Both monitor passed the Hot Shots Golf test perfectly (a game that requires excellent input lag response times).
3.) The VS239H-P crushes blacks HUGELY. Playing the first Ratchet and Clank game on the PS3’s HD collection, no matter the brightness on the monitor it simply would not resolve some of the details in the dark areas. I was surprised by this considering the supposed increase in contrast offered by the LED/IPS panel.
4.) My VS239H-P has some seriously ugly light bleed at the top of the screen. It’s a giant blotch (not the thin line like the VH236H which is typical for TN panels). I found it distracting in any darker scenes in gaming.
5.) The VH236H does need a more perfect viewing angle, but once achieved - gaming is more enjoyable on it.
6.) The VS239H-P is quite “blinding” due to the LED lighting. I tend to prefer CCFL lighting for this reason, but opinion may vary on this, of course. To me the VH236H is much easier on my eyes.
7.) The IPS panel in the VS239H-P is clearly a lower end panel. Dark scenes are so washed out it’s almost hilarious, and even moving your head left to right really washes out the blacks in the corners.
8.) Of course the VH236H isn’t perfect in viewing angles. In fact I found the optimum vertical viewing angle to be when you sit ABOVE the top of the monitor. At normal viewing angle/seating position the top of the viewing area is a little darker than what I’d like it to be. For bright scenes this isn’t a big deal, but when the scene is darker, you can definitely tell when you stand up it brightens the top of the image more.
Overall, I don’t recommend the VS239H-P, because of lack of resolving of detail in the shadows, and the huge amount of washout. Light bleed may vary from unit to unit, but mine was pretty awful. Either way, when put up against the EVO monitor for gaming, the EVO monitor is the “clear” winner.
I got lucky my monitor was perfect. It didn’t have any lightbleeding or dead pixels as I got it from tigerdirect. I don’t have problems with black crush on mine. I just check with this: http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/black.php, I can see every gradient in there. Also tried this http://www.toastyx.net/va-test.png, I can clearly see the word test in dark grey. Anyway maybe your monitor just needs calibration. If it helps try changing the scene mode preset on the monitor, I left mine in standard mode and just tweaked the brightness right out the box.
As for the lightbleed, there’s no really fix. Get it replaced. If distance is an issue and looking to get the same monitor, bring your ps3 and test out the monitor at frys.
There’s not much to calibrate really in terms of greyscale. It’s brightness and contrast. No picture modes fixed it. No matter what you see on those color bars, the fact remains (for my VS) that it just isn’t as good for gaming/dark scenes as the VH. The difference was huge, and I had them set up side by side. And for all the grief TN panels get for viewing angles, the amount of washout in black on the VS is just staggering. I can literally just turn my head (without physically moving any other part of) and watch the blacks “bleed.” Obviously there’s a reason this LED/IPS monitor is so cheap!
I agree the one area of light leak on my particular model is probably not a big deal since it could be replaced with one that’s better, but given the rest of my experience with the panel, I’ll stick with my VH. It’s just a better panel (for my needs). Testing the screen at the store with my PS3 is simply not worth it, since in a really bright environment the washout/bleed isn’t even visible. I would only notice it at home under normal room lighting, and then I REALLY notice it!
Hi Guys, I’m really interested in DELL S2230MX monitor it has more ppi (the lowest available on FullHD) but is there any proofs that it has the same input lag as 23" model? Cuz Dell UltraSharp U2312HM and U2212HM has almost 20ms input lag difference and idk why.
Pls help,
Nobody has posted a link to the model and what testing has been done to confirm it. If you could do that, it would undoubtedly be appreciated by everyone involved. To be blunt, without any of that information your post just comes across as pretentious and, well, ultimately useless.
The first post gets updated as soon as information is made available, but we can’t expect SaveFighting to find every suitable model. This is a communal effort to attempt to create a resource that we can all benefit from. We would love to have as much information as possible, and if you post some further details in here, I’m sure it will be added to the first post in as timely a manner as possible (pending verification of testing, etc.).
I recently bought a Samsung UN32H4003v and tested it with Rockband Blitz in game mode. I did 3 different tests with the calibration wizard.
Tests:
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[]1. 14ms
[]2. 16ms
[*]3. 3ms
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Average of those times is 11ms so it is acceptable.
I suggest to download the demo and test your lag.
Good news! The portable device that Leo Bodnar was working on to test input lag and response time of any LCD screen with HDMI input is now available to purchase on his website! I just ordered mine and will update this forum on how well it works once I’ve gotten it. It’s kind of pricey at $110.17 not including shipping from the UK but if it works as advertised I think it will be worth it to have it. It will practically fit in your pocket and uses only 2 AA batteries! It also supposedly has better than 1 millisecond accuracy. I hope it works! Here’s a link to the website where you can purchase it:
I’m going to be using this device a lot once I get it! It will beat lugging a laptop and camera around to test TV’s with!
I’ll try and post as much test results I get with all the currently sold TV’s in my local Best Buy, Target, and any other store I can get to. Of course I’ll be testing the device’s accuracy on my own TV’s that I’ve tested against a CRT with before that to verify that it works like it should.
That’s great news - I’m putting in my order now. I hope it works as advertised. Please do let us know your findings with the results this gives vs what you found using the old methods. I’ll be testing it too against my VH236Hs as soon as my tester comes in.
Thanks for the heads-up.
edit: Order #628. Shipped via FedEX/UPS ($55 extra - ouch. Better than it being “lost” in the mail here - aka customs holding it indefinitely or just outright stealing it. Living in paradise is a bitch. :lol:).
If I get mine within the next week or so, I’ll be testing every device in my house and reporting any sub-16ms devices that I find.
I picked up the VS278Q-P and on first notice, i don’t really feel any lag. I’m pretty sensitive to that and if you guys want reference, I’ve done all the trials for SF4x2/SSF4x3/SFxT/UMVC3/MVC3 with a pad so I’d like to say i know what it feels like lol. Anyways I’d like to test the input lag but I don’t have a crt monitor nor do I want to spend $110 on some device but if anyone has any easier way to detect it, let me know and i’ll post up some results. This is a TN panel though so if it does have any sort of lag, it’s less than or about 1 frame.
No picture modes fixed it. No matter what you see on those color bars, the fact remains (for my VS) that it just isn’t as good for gaming/dark scenes as the VH. The difference was huge, and I had them set up side by side. And for all the grief TN panels get for viewing angles, the amount of washout in black on the VS is just staggering. I can literally just turn my head (without physically moving any other part of) and watch the blacks “bleed.” Obviously there’s a reason this LED/IPS monitor is so cheap!