Which trap do you think is better? I’m not talking about it in an actual match against each other, I’m just talking about it as in which trap is better overall when using it against other players. I know that you got more of a chance to screw up with using the Strider/Doom trap, but it looks way more cooler than the Spiral/Sent trap, plus I think it scares your opponent more; that’s my opinion. So what do you guys think when comparing these two traps to each other? Which ones better? For me I’d say that the Strider/Doom trap is better because I like how you can teleport behind the people and do some crossups and stuff with it.
Or you guys can just name and explain why any other traps are better than either of these traps.
s\d has better damage output but the trap requires meter. The best s\d team has no AA on it which forces s\d to block out rather than to call AA and reposition. s\d probably does more chip per pattern also.
spiral doesn’t need meter to set her trap up and she can build shit loads of meter. I think her trap is tighter than striders as well but I could be wrong. It gets scary when duc plays with it because his cable will always have meter. Her teleport is instant too and her trap allows an AA on the squad.
its tough to say. I guess the only people who could answer that is somone who’s an expert with both?
all though ssd aka team clock has problems with AA. if the strider player can put himself in the position, that AAA is down to 70-90% life off of one meter with strider. Depending on what you know its possible to do 100% life to AAA with one stock while the opponent can’t do shit. Lock down + assit kill is something that spiral doesn’t have.
strider just needs one clean shot @ the AA and now ssd has the advantage. The other day I was playing a friends msp, and I did 95% to psylock off of one meter. I’ve done that numerous time to cable AA and cyke AA.
all though s\d as a team may be weak due to team chemistry, he can make up for it in sheer damage potential. The clockwork throw combo if its not teched is up to 70% life into trap. Which is 90% life if strider doesn’t land a hit during the re-orb series. Not to mention that strider probably does have more trap options than spiral.
sprial kills you slowly.
strider can kill you faster as well as destroy your assist @ the same time.
I guess it boils down to what you’re looking for. If you want to trap and gain meter @ the same time, spiral would probably the better choice. If you want to trap and kill, strider is probably the better choice there.
its tough to say which trap is better because striders trap does more life to the opponent as well as there assist. Spiral builds bar and her trap is tighter but her damage output isn’t nearly as high as striders. Where each trap team is weak @ is the other trap teams strength.
for arguements sake though, duc did win evo with spiral. I think the best strider has ever done was top 10 and that was by clock.
I play spiral, but probably strider/Doom - mainly for the fact you can put Doom rocks behind people, and use him more than once - but there’s the con of using meter. Plus there’s the fact strider can punish assists - I’d like to see Shoutzillas matches to see how consistently he can get the %'s he’s putting up (no slight intended)
Other pluses for strider/Doom would be that it does better vs sent/commando (although I’m starting to get a bit more comfortable with the match up using spiral). Although spiral still has a few good things things strider doesn’t have.
So yeah… on paper strider/Doom.
Is this thread to help you decide on which of the two to use?
I actually created this thread to see what people had to say about these two traps. Me personally I’ve always used Strider/Cable/Doom since I started playing mvc2 last summer. I’ve tried using psylocke and magneto before, but for some reason I just liked using strider and doom.
I picked spiral/cable/sent yesterday when I went to the arcades and used spiral for the first time. I don’t think I got the rythm down yet of how to do her trap, but I do it something like this
reg jump --> call swords --> land --> dash forward --> hp --> 12(call sent)3456 --> as drones hit I jump call swords, and repeat.
I mash both the sent assist and lp after I throw the 1st and 2nd sword. I don’t really think this is the right pattern to do the trap though because it didn’t felt like the way I’ve seen duc using this trap.
I also learned this trap from watching a video on youtube teaching people how to do this trap using other helpers like sabretooth and blackheart.
Hey shoultzula I got a question for you. I’m just wondering if you’d rather lose to a strider/doom trap or a spiral/sent trap? I’d think that you’ll say strider/doom trap because it’ll be preety borring to watch your life slowly drain down while you are block stunned in the corner lol.
PS: I can’t practice mvc2 at home because I don’t own a ps2 so I’ll record a few of my matches using spiral and sent whenever I get the chance to go the arcades.
Hopefully by final round I will have it mastered. Thats what i’m aiming for @ least. Heads will roll when its mastered. I get it often enough for it to be a problem though.
I’d rather lose to a spiral player so I can see how it works and really break it down. I haven’t really faced a good one yet.
the trap is what is done when you ground the person and want to get the max chip damage or set up for a safe tag or even combo.
spiral is actually a keep away character more than “trap” character.
her “trap” is actually just a lockdown that can be push blocked out of.
look at cable, he has a lockdown with s.hp X4 plus drones if done right, but people don’t mention it because people have been fighting cable more than spiral, once players start playing agianst these characters like strider/spiral/cable, they begin to understand how to get around what they do, however that doesn’t take away anything from the fact that if you slip up you can be punished for it big time. examples
Strider/doom, what shoults explained
Spiral- if you don’t get rid of her she builds alot of meter that lets say cable can use, thus enhancing the other members of the team while bring your life bar down. Alot players that don’t fight spiral regulary or have figured out how to fight her will crack under the pressure she brings.
Cable- do i really got to explain this?
get shot once, you can end up eating 3 bars that kill a character. all the while trying to find away to get in on him, and then he notices how your “defense” or way of adapting works vs him, and begins to take advantage of knowing what you will do by “running away” more effective or even just throwing you when you try to bait him or his assist out.
all these characters control space and use there abilities to set u up for big damage.
it ain’t the “trap” you gotta worry about, it’s killing them before they get any momentum and being to rape your brian.
IMO, striders trap is alot deeper than spirals. Sometimes I purposely let my opponents out to set the bomb up and re-trap. Spiral really doesn’t have a super powerful move that she can throw out there and hope for damage and its safe @ the same time.
Striders bomb can also nuke assists if you can throw it right. I can let it hover over you and if you smack the assist button, that assist is getting blown the fuck up. If you do nothing, I get to come in and lock down. If you SJ, I get to throw another one. If you square jump @ me , jb+fp+drones then zone or trap. Too many options for good life.
the player makes the team.
IMO striders strengths makes up for his bad team dynamics.
the worst thing about s\d though is that strider is the team. With spiral, she will setup the team.
strider doom is a much a better trap but at the end of the day you have to remember that there’s one more character to deal with. plus, doom is cable bait. pretty easy assist to ac into kill since he stays out there so long. at the end of the day, strider doom sent isn’t as good as spiral sent cable.
“Plus there’s the fact strider can punish assists - I’d like to see Shoutzillas matches to see how consistently he can get the %'s he’s putting up (no slight intended)”
He’s pretty damn consistent, although striders orbs are really fucked up no matter
spiral can kill a team by herself pretty easily. it just takes FOREVER. it’s amazing how frustrated people can get off of really basic zoning patterns that only work because the other player is stupid predictable. but once people get used to her, she’s just a pest. again, the better trap goes to strider doom, better team spiral sent.
Strider doom has a more damaging trap but it takes supers. Spiral also has a trap that doesn’t take supers but shes not strong at punishing assist which means cable or sentinel has to do the punishing. The original question is which team is better at trapping and I think the winner is s/d. However, if you ask me which team is better in overall dynamics then I would say spiral. Oh… and for those who think that once you get use to spiral its all gravy in beating that team think again - LOL - spiral to me isn’t really a trap character. A good spiral player will let you out of certain traps only to get more damage done to you when you do get out. That’s just my opinion but what do I know huh?
I do it vs sent - its hard to sustain her trapping far/full screen away so I’ll let him sj (making sure he’s out of frypan or LK range) and throw swords ( one of her swords gets thrown above her - really useful), then force him to block, bring him down, use drones and keep him blocking.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but the best S/D player is Clockwork (it’s hard to decide between him and kai-sing) and the best Spiral/Sent user is DucDo right? Does anyone happen to have some match video between these players?