I’ll reply to the thread more during the weekend but I’ll say a few things.
I just have to say that Strider/Tron is indefinitely not about trapping.
I don’t know from what I’ve been reading you guys are all considering Strider real low tier without Tron/Sent/etc assist.
I understand that choosing Strider/Doom > Strider/Tron may seem like it prevails because of the “addition options” you receive such as Lockdown w/ Chip.
Marvel is wack and getting a hit is not that hard than it seems to some people. Sure you can try to block all day but you’re still going to end up thrown or eating a high/low hit.
I like Tron’s reload time than Doom’s when he just sits out there on the screen for a while.
you can’t play strider tron like you play strider doom.
strider tron can wipe out their assist (uncombo with orbs, bomb, call tbonne = dead assist while their point char can’t do anything but sit and block your orbs, too), while strider doom has lockdown capabilities that are better than tron’s lockdown capabilities.
people used to think mag/storm/tbonne was a joke, too. now it’s considered to be one of the top 10 teams in the game.
strider/doom has the same thing in different form(the assist punish) + it has better space control and chip.
mst is crap, always has been always will be. It’s one dimensional, like the duo we’re discussing now…
Tron dmg does not = versatility. it’s good to keep in mind how limited that assist is. At least strider/doom has two high(er) tier characters + a variety of ways to approach the fight…
Yes MST is a good team, and Mixup is the innovater of that team, and the comments we make arent biased to a team because s/d is mainstream, if anything the walls of our boxes are broken.
When it comes to HIGH LEVEL PLAY strider/tron is just not solid enough to compete. It’s easy to say someone will always get the hit but, but that doesnt mean youll land a hit solid enough to do what you want to do, and the same damage can be dealt with Dooms assist in a better way, you cant bait to well with tron assist and you dont have the same teleport options, these are things strider NEEDS to play effectively. A solo sentinel can destroy strider/tron because of its lack of defense for strider. Ill stop here.
strider can do 80% to an assist solo while locking down the point character. You don’t need tron to help you out in that area and he can drop full assists off one bar with doom. There’s nothing you can say about strider ron that strider\doom can’t do better. When the situation becomes like that, that means s\d is obviously the better team.
and jaded, weren’t you the one who told me that orb patterns were too hard to time? and that you had to see clockw0rk do it first? then the elder s\d players like kai and devil x had to come into the thread and say that its not that complicated? so you want to watch clock do something first but also say " think outside the box?" I don’t think it works like that…
I created my s\d w\o a tournament scene with only the help of a few players. I had to think outside the box because I really didn’t have anyone to copy or help me out. Part of the process of thinking outside the box revolved around picking other strider teams. I’ve been there and it simply doesn’t work. I wrote a long ass post basically saying that a smart player won’t let strider ron get close to them. They’ll push block properly. Then the post after it you say, all strider ron has to do is get close…
saying it’s not complicated and SHOWING it’s not complicated are two totally different things. Shom said chunli infinite was easy. have you yet seen a chunli match where the upper-shom is being done? btw, I just landed on the moon last week and I’m actually posting on SRK.COM from the moon. pretty easy to say… now you can try.
lol 80% on assist with strider and no assist. the closest i’ve seen is 50-60%, and that’s with a brain-dead opponent who didn’t know how to escape and probably in very situational positioning. You make it sound like this happens all the time?? Don’t you think Strider would be #1 if he could consistently do 80% damage on an assist while pinning their point char down? That’s the near equivalent of 3x AHVB.
i’m sorry, but some of you are exaggerating quite a bit.
in regards to getting close to someone with strider, if you can’t get close to someone after activating orbs, it’s pretty obvious your strider needs some help.
I’ve landed chun li’s infinite in matches before as well as beats of devil. Its just funky timing. As with anything thats new, it takes practice before you can actually do it 100% of the time. When magneto rom from xvsf was figured out in mvc2, it took people quite a while to master the add\df lk, mk technique. It wasn’t that easy. Give chun a year or 2 and I guarantee you you’ll start seeing perfects with that bitch.
How can you put me in the same boat of other players that you have seen? have you seen me play? have you talked to anyone who’s played me in the last 6 months?
if you played with me and actually saw what I can do, you’d take back every word in that paragraph. I’m an innovator. Its my best talent. Since you’ve never seen anyone do 100% combo’s with s\d on assists, that means it doesn’t exists right? I couldn’t possibly make something up that could do it right because outside of a few players no one know who I am?
I made it up, thats why you don’t see anyone else doing it and I never posted up how to do it. Someone has to create it before others start to copy. aka innovation. I’ve came up with quite a few things with strider that will send his monkey ass into orbit.
strider can build up to 90% bar per trap rep but since you don’t see anyone else do it, it can’t exists right? especially since clock doesn’t do it right? c’mon man. You want to talk about thinking outside the box you keep refering to what you’ve seen. Thats not how you think outside the box. You look @ whats in the box first, then you see if you can create better concepts from w\in the box. When I showed that 90% bar build setup with strider in new orleans, I had 3 people copy me immediately and ask me why clock doesn’t do it? Because clock doesn’t do it means that it sucks. It just means that clock rather do something else and I can’t argue with the way he plays because he’s gotten top 10 @ evo multiple times.
you obviously play very shitty players. None of your strider/tron crap is credible, we try giving you advice on whats fun and whats EFFECTIVE yet you dont want to listen, if you dont want to use s/d then fine but dont shit on someone elses credibility when you have none of your own.
I like s/d way better. I’ve been using Spiral/strider/doom and its been teaching me alot about controling space. the more space u control the less options ur oponent has and the more likely they’ll make a mistake and kill themselves trying to get away. doom controls so much space for so long its realy no contest. with tron i have to get a hit, with doom i can orb and chip till i figure something out. then if u look at the endgame and u got doom vs tron left. u cant convice me that tron has more options than Doom. I think strider/tron can definately work but just no where as effectively as strider/doom. ur gonna have to really be innovative to make that work where s/d doesnt require as much to be effective
saying something exists and saying something is feasible in a match are two different things. is there an 80% damage on assist? highly unlikely to land in a real match given you prob need certain positioning. if something is .01% likely to happen or be consistent, that’s of no use to anyone in a tournament.
example? chun li infinite. sure it exists. and sure, i haven’t seen anyone do it perfect or in a match, at cf or anywhere for that matter. if it were reliable instead of just possible, you’d already have seen chunli win a MvC2 tourney because that shit is unbelievably fast and the crossups would kill anyone. And do you think people don’t practice in this game? some people play this day and night… chun li infinite would be dominating the game like IM infinite is all over the place now, too.
so back to the original point, if strider can do 80% on an assist anytime solo, you should be able to win tournies in no time. that really is the near equivalent of 3x ahvb, depending on the assist that’s getting hit.
if you’re saying it’s possible if you’re at a certain point in screen, your opponent isn’t cable/storm/mag/sent and isn’t at sj height the air and is 1/4 of the screen away and doesn’t sj out and has 0 bars to super and has 1/8th of his life left and he’s a certain amount of distance off the ground to begin with, it doesn’t really matter to anyone.
Jaded, the reason no one lands 80% solo assist damage setup is because good players protect their assists, not because of the execution that it required. Strider/Tron won’t work like that anyway. Not every player is going to do ground vipers with one meter while you teleport to the other side to set up a tron combo…Think realistically here…
just because YOU cant land it in match doesnt mean it cant happen, too much shit happens in match that alot of people dont see, and yes I do perfect chunli infinites in match but i dont play the bitch, i bet youve never seen a sentinel die in less then 5 marvel seconds with IM’s infinite, highly unlikely you say? well i do it, just because you dont understand how something so powerful can work in match doesnt mean you have disproved it, it just means you can’t comprehend how it works.
I would. But there are no tournaments worth winning in so cal:lovin:
But I do get to play the best marvel in the world at the best arcade in the world: SUPER ARCADE