Street Fighter V's lack of content is appalling

[d3v]

I just don’t see how that can be possible given all the technological advancements since the 90s. Maybe firms are putting aside more to market games today than in the 90s, but I doubt they cost more to make. Also, we aren’t paying 90s prices, we are paying $100 per game on average…

I’m not gonna come down on either side of this little debate, but there is lots wrong with this statement.

Yes, technology allows small indie teams and independent developers to make games like they couldn’t before. But most big games now have team sizes MUCH larger than they were in the 90s, or even the early 2000s. Big mainstream titles have teams of hundreds of people, and that’s not even including marketing, localization, and QA staff. If anything the cost of game development has never been HIGHER in terms of staff. And let’s not forget that living costs have increased in the past 30 years, and salaries with it (though sadly not enough).

Let’s also not forget that the same technological advances that give us an increase in visual fidelity also can greatly increase time/effort/money it takes to create content to match. I can spend more time editing the texture for SFV Charlie’s VEST than it would take to draw a whole page of sub-240p low-res SF Alpha sprites.

SFV might not be on the level of Call of Duty, but it DOES require a larger team than before. QA and localization staff ON THEIR OWN are probably several times the size of any Capcom arcade fighter from the 90s. There’s even an interview where Ono specifically mentions this and says older SF games had teams of only 12-20 people, and a development cycle of 6 months. SFV and SFIV took much longer and involved WAY more people.

And if you wanna get into a debate about what constitutes a game, I’d say most DLC is optional. If you want it, great. Then buy it. I personally rarely bother with DLC since most of it is tangential anyway. If you’re a season-pass-chasing DLC monster that is of course your right, but games are NOT $100 for most people. Only the ones who go crazy buying all the DLC and actually end up supporting the practice in the first place.

What is the truth is that games have NEVER BEEN CHEAPER since the price has actually gone DOWN since the 90s cartridge days and is holding steady regardless of inflation. If you don’t feel THIS PARTICULAR GAME is worth your 60 bucks, that’s fine. But let’s not confuse the costs of game development and how much games REALLY cost these days ('cause they’re really quite cheap – even with DLC!)

It’s optional if you are satisfied playing an incomplete version of the game. Back in the day you would get an entire game for $60, now you get maybe half of a game for $60 and pay for the rest via DLC.

Also, let’s keep in mind that sales of blockbuster titles (and games in general) are much higher than they were in the 90s to balance out increased marketing/labor costs.

Edit: Also, a significant number of games today don’t even need to be put on disc/cartridge, which undoubtedly saves the devs a good chunk of change.

$60 back in the day is worth almost $100 now thanks to inflation.

[yah_yaahh_b_tch]

I mean…its a fighting game. All you need is multiplayer and practice mode to be honest.

This is how it was, and this is how it should get back to. The fluff is an afterthough. Lol @ alternate costumes.

Stay free lil boy

[TheKillerKiwi]

The street fighter player in me doesn’t care, I just want this game as soon as possible, but the overall gamer in me finds it laughable and head-shakingly pathetic that the game is missing so much basic content on release. No doubt the reviews will pick up on this and they deserve any backlash or loss in sales that come as a result.

[noob_hadoken]

I posted this in general discussion today but I see it needed here. I think the most people are looking at what’s initially there and losing sight on what there is to come for SFV based on what there now. From the beginning Capcom was clear on saying what SFV was going to be. A service. To my original post :
To me, SFV is being sold less than a full game and more if a investment in its future. Sure, it’s barebones compared to most fighter’s on the market. But, how many of those fighters are giving you new content without buying another disc, even for free. MKX XL is all the content both new and old wrapped in one package, but that’s it, with no new kombat packs or story expansion for the future as far as we know. GG Revelator has new content with new story but you have to pay $40 to $60 for another disc instead of it being offered through Xrd for 20 bucks as an update. KI is a proven concept of releasing a game barebones and growing every year since. SFV will have more content, more value, more replay value than any fighter down the line other than KI. The best part, all the content is free, if you don’t want to pay for it. More fighters being released on a yearly basis. Yearly updates to the core fighting system. Depending on how well received the story mode is, we can see it expansion every year. http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2016/feb/13/story-mode-street-fighter-5-will-feature-over-hour-cinematic-content-possibility-exists-future-story-expansions/.
So yes, it bare bones as it stands right now, and initially it may stand to lose in the beginning with some casuals, but I can see its future being fine for it. Like I said it’s an investment, and over time it’ll be worth it’s initial price and more.

[entrerix]

$60 for thousands of hours of competitive gameplay over a 5-6 year period is a bad deal now? because you have to wait 4 weeks for story mode? this thread is full of nonsense.

[DevilJin_01]

I posted this in general discussion today but I see it needed here. I think the most people are looking at what’s initially there and losing sight on what there is to come for SFV based on what there now. From the beginning Capcom was clear on saying what SFV was going to be. A service. To my original post :
To me, SFV is being sold less than a full game and more if a investment in its future. Sure, it’s barebones compared to most fighter’s on the market. But, how many of those fighters are giving you new content without buying another disc, even for free. MKX XL is all the content both new and old wrapped in one package, but that’s it, with no new kombat packs or story expansion for the future as far as we know. GG Revelator has new content with new story but you have to pay $40 to $60 for another disc instead of it being offered through Xrd for 20 bucks as an update. KI is a proven concept of releasing a game barebones and growing every year since. SFV will have more content, more value, more replay value than any fighter down the line other than KI. The best part, all the content is free, if you don’t want to pay for it. More fighters being released on a yearly basis. Yearly updates to the core fighting system. Depending on how well received the story mode is, we can see it expansion every year. http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2016/feb/13/story-mode-street-fighter-5-will-feature-over-hour-cinematic-content-possibility-exists-future-story-expansions/.
So yes, it bare bones as it stands right now, and initially it may stand to lose in the beginning with some casuals, but I can see its future being fine for it. Like I said it’s an investment, and over time it’ll be worth it’s initial price and more.

How could you bring this solid outlook and optimism in this thread? It’s like the game will thrive and is going in a good direction or something. What the hell is wrong with you?

[noob_hadoken]

Most people say that it’s unfinished, when in reality it’s really not. IMO, something that unfinished is something that is broken or breaks the game to the point of being unplayable. SFV is not broken, it a solid foundation to be built upon. I don’t care if you throw all the mode in a game day one, all the content that you can ask for. But, if the core gameplay is broken or unplayable, that the equivalent of buy a Ferrari with a messed up engine.

[Evil_Canadian]

The rape of nanking is appalling
genocide in rwanda is appalling
obamas presidency is appalling

some things in your video game coming out one month after ya bought it not so much.

[FengShuiEnergy]

Life lesson. Taking things for granted isn’t always a good thing.

[TheKillerKiwi]

$60 for thousands of hours of competitive gameplay over a 5-6 year period is a bad deal now? because you have to wait 4 weeks for story mode? this thread is full of nonsense.

While it’s hardly THAT big of a deal as most are making it out to be, there is way more missing than just the story mode.
Like what’s up with the 2 player lobbies? And no spectator mode? And the trials and challenges? Story mode is something that I can get behind being late, several games do that, but a lot of very basic fighting game stuff is weirdly missing out of the gate. Just seems a little odd.

[DevilJin_01]

$60 for thousands of hours of competitive gameplay over a 5-6 year period is a bad deal now? because you have to wait 4 weeks for story mode? this thread is full of nonsense.

While it’s hardly THAT big of a deal as most are making it out to be, there is way more missing than just the story mode.
Like what’s up with the 2 player lobbies? And no spectator mode? And the trials and challenges? Story mode is something that I can get behind being late, several games do that, but a lot of very basic fighting game stuff is weirdly missing out of the gate. Just seems a little odd.

Good netcode at launch comes at a heavy price apparently. They had 4 betas just for netcode/matchmaking purposes.

[yah_yaahh_b_tch]

I mean how is unlocking extra costumes and playing story mode going to help you in the long run with this game…explain that to me

Make a real case for this content not being at launch, and how it really affects the endgame.

Without eposing yourself as a casual scrub. Thats the catch.

[noob_hadoken]

I mean how is unlocking extra costumes and playing story mode going to help you in the long run with this game…explain that to me

Make a real case for this content not being at launch, and how it really affects the endgame.

Without eposing yourself as a casual scrub. Thats the catch.

I implore you to scroll up to my post for an explanation.

[MARTIAN]

Yet another thread that could’ve easily just been a single fucking post in the SFV General Discussion thread.

[noob_hadoken]

Yet another thread that could’ve easily just been a single fucking post in the SFV General Discussion thread.

It was.

[Xhominid]

I honestly want to laugh at those who keep using the excuse of “Atleast we are getting it in 2 weeks as DLC” as if that’s somehow okay to rush a game this badly out the door.

It’s like the RPG excuse of “You can play the game from start to finish…but you can only get to a maximum of level 30, very little Black-White Magic, very little equipment and the rest of the world is locked past the places you need to advance the plot.”…but if you wait a month, you’ll get the rest of the content back!

I mean this is a competitive site but damn!

There is plenty to do for the first month to get you started. Have you checked out the trophy list?
http://www.exophase.com/game/street-fighter-v-ps4/trophies/

You are using trophies as proof? you do realize all games have trophies and achievements to get and earn right? That doesn’t help your point.

I honestly want to laugh at those who keep using the excuse of “Atleast we are getting it in 2 weeks as DLC” as if that’s somehow okay to rush a game this badly out the door.

It’s like the RPG excuse of “You can play the game from start to finish…but you can only get to a maximum of level 30, very little Black-White Magic, very little equipment and the rest of the world is locked past the places you need to advance the plot.”…but if you wait a month, you’ll get the rest of the content back!

I mean this is a competitive site but damn!

No I don’t think that’s a valid analogy since the core game play is there. It’s more like that RPG had no title screen, and no tutorial, and you booted right into the game, and there was only 1 save file.

The core gameplay of an RPG is it’s story so compared to SFV and it’s core being PvP, I believe the analogy works fine.

I don’t think an RPG works in the way your describing it. It’s very on a case by case basis. RPGs like Borderlands and Pokemon wipe their ass with story.

Wow, using Borderlands and Pokemon for your point…um let me tell you something.
Borderlands wasn’t made for RPG in it’s mind at all. It has RPG-like elements but the draw was never the story like a JRPG or even most WRPGs. And Pokemon’s main draw isn’t it’s story either, it’s battling other trainers, trading with them and getting all the Pokemon for the PokeDEX. None of those disprove my point in the slightest(which is funny because as of Black and White and above, Pokemon is focusing on it’s story more.)

[KneelB4Me]

I think the bigger issue around here is having to complete 90 rounds worth of survival mode per character to unlock alternate colors.

But the game is bare bones. You can bet review copies were sent out with a ton of special instructions about how the game is a service and so on. Review time will be interesting, worst case scenario it could actually bomb. Especially with Capcom resetting the online service every 12 or so hours, it really shines a great light on the lack of modes available right as the game is being reviewed. The game itself is really promising, it runs and plays great, hopefully that will take up a sizable portion from any review. It would be sad if it were mostly reviewed for what isn’t there given the effect that could have on sales.

[yah_yaahh_b_tch]

All this scrub talk is blown up by the hours and hours of Arturo, J Wong, LiJoe, SpabRog, Floe and just about everyone else in California and New York have been streaming setplay.

Thats the purpose of this game. Not to unlock costumes and dive into the story, people will do that at their leisure after the new game smell has worn off.

Its time to grind for christs sakes its a new fighting game. Quit crying about the stupidest shit and crack it open.

[The_Lone_Dragon]

It’s optional if you are satisfied playing an incomplete version of the game.

I can’t wait until people finally realize that there’s no such thing as a “complete game” in the digital age.

It’s not 1991 anymore. Please wrap your heads around that.

Your video games are never going to be “complete”, because companies now have the nifty ability to keep updating them.

And, that’s a good thing.

Back in the day you would get an entire game for $60, now you get maybe half of a game for $60 and pay for the rest via DLC.

Half a game? An entire game? What does that even mean?

“Completeness” is 100% irrelevant to VALUE. “Completeness” is some abstract notion that only existed out of necessity in the prehistoric days. Games were “complete” back then because there was no way to update them. Period. It’s not because companies provided more value back then, or because the companies were more generous back then. Games were “complete” because they ran out of time and had to ship the game. That’s it.

I guarantee that 90’s gamers WISH Capcom released SF2 like SF5 is being released. $180+ for SF2, SF2 TCE, SSF2 vs $60 for SF5.

“Good ol’ days”, indeed.

[DevilJin_01]

Street Fighter Alpha 2. Such a complete game on my Sega Saturn. Wait what…Street Fighter Alpha 2 Gold? WTF is that?