Adding to DoTheMove’s points, we also know that Gouki took out Vega in SF2 exactly how you see it in SFZ3 Adon’s ending, surprise from behind. AAC does confirm this in Adon’s SFZ3 entry. We don’t know if this happened before or after Vega fights his challenger.
From what I know, i will now add a little of my thoughts to this. I believe the following actually makes sense from Akuma’s Point of view. (Those of you who know me, know that I fight very hard for the subjects of Akuma/Gouki, Satsui no Hadou and the whole ansatsuken business. Ask Tiamat, he’ll know, I bothered him a lot 
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Now.
Bison did visit Gouken once before to look for the true heir to ‘Ansatsuken’. Or rather, Goutetsu’s version of it. He went, he didn’t find the ‘True Heir’ (Akuma at that point), so he just beat Gouken up. (Canon according to mook)
Now I’m quite sure that after all this time, Akuma actually knows that Bison was looking for him. In my eyes, Bison has been a fly in the fighting community because he is interfering with the way of the warrior. He’s cloning, using psycho power, messing up with possible fighting partners ala Ryu, doing all sorts of stuff that is disrupting EVERYONES normal life, while causing some evil to boot. (not canon nor uncanon, but rather obvious)
So While Bison was looking for Akuma, I bet it is possible that (and this is not Canon, but Any right minded Akuma would do this…), Akuma was ALSO looking for a chance to kill Bison. NOT because Bison is a strong fighter, but because he really wants to remove this major irritant for the good of all Pure Fighting.
Thus, he just waited for the right moment to kill off the bugger who has been disrupting the fighting scene and went off to have another day of training. Why didn’t he do it sooner? Because then he would have to infiltrate the entire Shadoloo oganisation and that wastes time and energy. Why during the tournament? Cos he was exposed, in full view and it was easy for Akuma to just mingle in the crowd innit?
Frankly Speaking Bison really has been a thorn in the fighting community’s side. I think it’s fitting that Mr. Fighting God himself solved the problem.
And yes, read Tiamat’s. Wikipidia is very unreliable when it comes to SF. I’ve posted canon stuff only to be taken down and replaced by ‘fan translations’.
Why would Akuma try and kill to restore balance to the fighting community? The man has no sense of a community, he trains alone on a damn island.
People always seem try to justify Akuma’s actions. The man is an arrogant, power greedy, self absorbed, murdering bastard, who has knocked off several high profile martial artists. Yet he still gets the Sagat treatment from fans, despite the fact he has never had a sympathetic moment in his life. It’s always claimed that he only kills worthy opponents, which i can accept but only because anything less is a waste of his efforts.
Sagat was a honourable man - a national hero hero even. He then became twisted, similar to akuma, by revenge. You follow his game storylines up to alpha 2 and he is consistently badass. With the exception of an implied moment of clarity in the animated movie, the seeds for his face turn were not actually woven until alpha 3 where he went through a major character arc of losing to a few low tier characters and rejecting bison and shadowloo. It was at this point that he had clear and justifiable reasoning and a general awareness of others.
Akuma has yet to experience a radical story arch, he has yet to commit a single act of altruism and is still basically a wild fighting animal.
Gouki did save a child’s life who fell off of his mountain once so he has had a sympathetic moment.
You cant really judge Gouki as his situation is very unique. He is potentially the most powerful being on the planet. When you have god-like power and only one ambition in life (fighting the strongest opponents) you don’t have any reason to be a good guy.
Gouki is not really a bad person.
He killed Gouken because he believed he was trying to pervert his beloved fighting style by teaching his students a toned down version of a Killing Style. Gouken had also defeated him once and Gouki had to settle with him. With Gouken out of the way Ryu also probably embraces the Satsui no Hadou quicker thus providing a better challenge to Gouki.
He killed Goutetsu, but Goutetsu was teaching a Killing Style so how much of a good guy was he? Ansatsuken = Assassin’s Fist. Why should we mourn for people who practice killing arts? They run the risk of getting killed by their very profession. Also passing on of tradition from master to student.
Gen may not have been killed by Gouki, but it could have happened. Gen is a former assassin. Again no sympathy for assassins who use killing styles.
Bison was an evil bastard. No sympathy for megolamaniacs who try to pervert your pet project. (Ryu)
Gill wasn’t neccessarily bad, but he isn’t really all good either. He can’t die anyway so Gouki gets off for attempting to kill him.
Gouki only really fights people who are worthy of him and are able to except the consequences of being a serious fighter. You’ve never seen Gouki go after Dan, DeeJay, or Sakura have you? He obviously has some sort of moral code.
Yes, What DoTheMove said.
I’m not an Akuma ‘Fanboy’. I’m just here to help people understand that Akuma is not ‘Evil’. This + Satsui No Hadou being termed ‘Murderous Intent’ from the beginning has caused a lot of people to misinterpret this whole business of what the whole Warriors Code are for the different characters. A lot of misunderstanding in SF stems from Akuma, I mean come on, Bison represented a Major Story arc for almost half of the cast once. Akuma provided the personification of Satsui no Hadou, which Ran the other major story arc. And they both intermingled.
Now don’t misunderstand, I’m not out to say he’s ‘Good’ either, nuh uh. Don’t misunderstand me.
Actually, Again, Ansatsuken is not ‘THE’ martial arts style they were learning. It’s just a general term you use for moves that are potentially fatal. In our modern world there are such moves, as most of you know, and I personally had access to such techniques in simple Koppo. Does that make me or my Sifu/Sensei an Evil person for knowing the skill? No of course not.
The move is merely a tool. The person who uses it determines if it is used for evil or good.
Don’t let stereotypical thinking cloud your minds. Look at Gouki and what he has done. Not who he might resemble from some other story who also had ultimate power.
Now some of us just feel that Killing for Any reason at all is evil. So for people who feel this way, Akuma is evil. Simple as that. Others, such as those who can accept that it is fine if a fight between two fighter lead in death because they both accept it as a condition, won’t view Akuma as evil, because they know it’s simply a path the fighters chose, freedom of choice ya?
Thats how it was with Gouken.
Thats how it was for Goutetsu (Who Died SMILING, because he was as serious a fighter and who was also looking for enlightenment via the ultimate fight)
Thats how it was for Gen, who was angry Akuma DIDN’T kill him.
And there are differences in someone who kills a person who HAS LOST THE FIGHT, and Someone who kills TO WIN THE FIGHT. Thats how it is.
I could elaborate, but I’m hoping people understand from just these alone. It’s late and my brains messy.
I myself doubt Gouki vs. Gill actually happened but the game shows Gill could survive a Shun Goku Satsu, not that the fight itself even happened. For you to even see that ending the person who stands before Gill has to defeat Gouki (even at his Shin Level) and storyline wise that would be Alex, no way can Alex defeat Gouki. It’s also a shout out to how Gouki performed SGS to Vega(M.Bison in the US) as well. Not to mention Gill vs. Gouki sounds even more random than Gill vs. Vega.
Gill is not evil by his own standards, he’s more of a diluted savior. He does believe he’s trying to save the world from the apocalypse, so the ends justify the means. Think of how terrorists believe that they are doing God’s work when they kill innocent people. Not that Gill is as bad as some real life terrorists mind you.
Actually, Goutetsu smiled when he saw how much Gouki overpowered him after Gouki embraced SnH for the first time. We don’t know how Goutetsu looked as he died by the SGS, only his bloody corpse remained.
Ah, if your source in saying that he smiled before he died is canon, then it is now known that he smiled after and before he died
Actually, sentence for setence, this is what transpired in the last paragraph under Gouki of the SFZ mook ;
“The last person standing on the vast field, was Gouki.
Goutetsu had already drawn his last breath…but on his face was a smile. Beside him, stood the figure of Gouken.”
Of course, logically, one cannot smile AFTER one dies, so you would be right, but we know that his face was still smiling after that. So yeah, he died smiling. And yes, he was smiling because he had an heir in Gouki.
BTW Tiamat if you’re reading this, I need to contact you regarding the AAC translation of Ken witnessing Goukens death.
Easiest way to alert Tiamat is to post in the Warrior’s Fate Thread in the Fan Fiction forums.
Thanks
We have the same sources I’m sure, but the account in the SFZ mook doesn’t talk of Goutetsu’s death anymore, if it ever did at some point. Goutetsu’s current death account is in the SFZ2 mook among other places, where it tells of him falling to the SGS and no smile recorded.
Oh, okok
Look under SFZ Mook page 80. Last paragraph.
I know Rokiseph, you quoted it in the previous page. Instead of “drawn his last breath” though, I translated it as “his breath was dying out.” In any case, whether he died or not in Gouki’s SFZ account he still dies for sure in Gouki’s SFZ2 account by the SGS. The SFZ story takes place shortly after the brothers’ training is completed, and they see SnH for the first time, and Goutetsu smiles after Gouki’s defeated him. The SFZ2 story happens shortly after Gouki has the SGS revealed to him, and unleashes it on Goutetsu.
In any case, if both accounts are still canon (and SFZ2’s has priority), Goutetsu had to have survived the battle which results in him smiling. Sure he was on the brink of death (nearly anybody would probably be after fighting Gouki), but with Gouken at his side at that moment, they managed to patch him up somewhat. (don’t you just love where they place the “…” in the text)
Thanks for pointing out my mistakes with Ken’s story. I seriously don’t remember how I connected “young one” to his text in AAC after looking at it again. My bad, I’ll fix those.
Oh, i had the idea that any changes in SFZ2 affects SFZ, because SFZ2 replaces SFZ. Which means that Gouki only fought Goutetsu once and killed him.
If it’s that way, then no smile, no Gouken being present either. Again, I don’t believe the SFZ Gouki account is replaced by the SFZ2 Gouki account, because they don’t have to happen at the same point in Gouki’s life. Gouki says totally different things to his master before the fight begins in each account. Therefore I believe Gouki’s fought both his brother and his master twice before they both die.
I recall the SFZ2 replacing SFZ storyline as being official.
Other than that, any side tidbits that can be left unchanged would be left unchanged. In anycase, there wasn’t mention of Gouki speaking to Goutetsu in the SFZ Mook.
Oh well, if side tidbits are also to be removed, then it’s sad that a lot fo the tidbits from SFZ mook will not be considered canon. Lucky for us, as it is, some of us consider these side tidbits still canon as long as they logically do not contradict any changes.
DAN FOREVER!
Does anyone think Gouken could be in SF4 (If they ever make an SF4)
Canonwise no. He’s been declared as long deceased ever since Super X came out. But the ball’s always in Capcom’s court.