Guile or Chun Li have never had any connection to Akuma…At all.
Whereas Akuma is known to have killed Bison.
A rarely addressed posibility is Guile dying at the hands of Akuma.
Guile is one of the characters that dissapears after sf2, and regardless of what you think of him, he is the most likely character to have made it to Bison in the tournament.
So either he fought akuma after akume chipped Bison or he walked away (like a pussy) after seeing Bison dead.
EDIT: yeah, i typed Bison instead of Akuma by accident. Obviously Guile wanted to avenge Charlie and CHunli her dad. My bad.
I really always thought it was Ryu back in the day. And the idea of Guile or Chunners winning is just ridiculous. In fact the whole thing is stupid, what the fuck happenned to Sagat and Ryu’s fight?
Ah yes, the ever popular “Ryu decided to leave theory”.
The only reason people seem to discount a Ryu winning outcome is because aparantly Guile has to kill Bison so he can go back to his family. I never understood this. If I’m Guile and I want Bison dead yeah I’d like to do it myself, but if Sagat, Ryu, or Ken beats Bison and then Gouki kills him I don’t understand why Guile would be upset. If Guile wants Bison dead I really don’t think he cares how it happens, just as long as it’s painful and Charlie can “rest in peace” or whatever. In my eyes Guile can return to his family and live happily ever after as long as Bison is dead. If Ken, Sagat, or Ryu (who are all better fighters then Guile and Chun Li) beat Bison and he’s killed by Gouki it shouldn’t matter as long as the bastard is dead.
Again the Ryu leaving theory is plausible as he doesn’t give a damn about winning the title, but if he leaves Sagat and Ken leave too. If these 3 leave there is no one left who has anywhere near the juice to take out Bison. Yes Bison is weaker then he used to be, but he is still the most powerful one there. Psycho Crusher still looks scary as all hell.
And after the live action movie I refuse to see Guile win against Bison. It makes me feel dirty thinking about it.
Ryu likely didn’t fight Sagat in SF2. Sagat’s ending states this. Of course, this assumes Sagat’s ending happens, but if you pretend none of the SF2 endings happened, then you literally have absolutely NOTHING to work with.
the way i figure from reading what jap cap has given us, Akuma theroretically won… no one else was able to beat Vega because Akuma probably took him out before anyone had a chance… the few who probably were, didn’t make it to the fight… Ryu was probably busy fighting Sagat, Guile was probably about to fight Akuma and Chun prob had her hands full with Balrog (vega us)
As for SFIII, it’s canon that Ryu defeats Alex and Ryu gets defeated by Oro… there’s no SF game after third strike, so they probably haven’t declared a winner… probably porbably blah blah.,…
as for SF4?.. well, Ryu will be suped up from training with Oro, he also controls his evil intent but he gets murdered by the real star of street fighter and all of video games…
Ryu and Sagat didn’t fight in SF2. It’s the only other thing that Capcom lets out about SF2 aside from Gouki(Akuma) killing Vega(M.Bison in the US).
What happened during the SF3 Tournament Officially - Oro defeats Ryu. Ken defeats Sean and then drops out after hearing Ryu lost. Oro drops out to go look for Ryu who he now wishes to train. This clears the path for Alex to be the champion, most likely Gill let him when.
SF3 Third Strike - This game represents what happened after the SF3 Tourney and not during. Here Ryu defeats Alex and Ken.
At some point Ryu and Hugo fought since Capcom claims that Hugo was able to stand after a Shin Shoryuken. It is unknown when this happened but it most likely happened during the SF3 Tourney.
This is what I read from the SF Eternal and I’ll basically sum it up:
SF2
Most likely that Ryu did not win the tournament; due to a small fact that all Ken wanted to do was enter the tournament win and then go get hitched which is what happened to him after all. I can believe that this happened because the two students of Ansatsuken have had somewhat even tallies of who beat who and whatever tournament Ryu participates in, Ken’s gotta get dibs on the higher tally.
So, that’s the most likely reason why Sagat would drop out of the tourney. If his purpose for training was defeated and then left; he just has to train harder and wait.
So…to answer who won SF2…no one. The sponser/host (Bison) dies. Without a sponser or anything like that…who ever still has hold of the money (or the title of the strongest) can bounce for all they care. (Besides, Barlog bankrupts the whole organization anyway)
However, for those who just need some closure just watch the Animated Movie, that’s as close as you get to even figuring out who wins SF2.
SF3
Alex - Wins by Default
Gill lets him win after fighting him a bit. Kinda like the Sagat and Dan thing.
Ryu loses to Oro
Ken wins against Sean
Later, Ryu beats Alex
Alex goes on search to find and fight Ryu again
I kinda doubt Ken would refuse to marry Eliza if he didn’t win the tournament. Ken went to the tournament to rekindle his rivalry with Ryu, not specifically to win.
And if you’re going by the win record thing then it’s also more likely that Ryu beat Ken. Ken beat Ryu in Alpha 2. During SF 3 Ryu states that he has a better win record against Ken. For this to be true he kinda has to beat Ken during SF2, otherwise Ryu’s only wins against Ken are not documented and took place before SF 1, or in between tournaments and we’ll never hear about them.
I don’t know, just random thoughts.
Bison probably just kicked the snot out of Guile and then Gouki leveled his ass from behind, just for kicks. And as Gouki demon warps away Guile hears, “Yo Kool-aid!!”
No Ryu officially defeated Ken in SF3 Third Strike. This was stated by Capcom. There is no reason for you to speculate about it. It’s in Tiamatroar’s SF Plot Guide. While SF Eternal Challenge is cool and all because it’s in English it doesn’t come close to having all of the information the Japanese All About Capcom books have where the information of Ryu defeating Ken in SF3TS comes from.
Ryu and Ken have always had friendly matches, they never go all out against each other. Ken won in SFZ2(Ken’s ending) and no one knows what happened between the two during SF2.
True, but I never said anything about Ken defeating Ryu in SF3 series. I kinda figured it was common knowledge that Ryu and Ken fought (friendly matches) and Ryu won against Ken in SF3 (TS).
Has Capcom officially stated that Gouken’s dead? I mean I’ve read and heard that he was knocked over a cliff and his body was never found and something about that he could negate the Shun Goku Satsu much like Gen (forgot the actual explanation but if I remember from Tiamat’s FAQ it had something to do with ‘void’=‘nothingness’). Speaking of which…I wonder how the comic and the new anime movie will depict that move. I think I saw in the HK (Hong Kong) comics that it looked like a sort of combo or uppercut (but then again I only liked the HK comics for their designs not their stories).
Gouken has been officially stated to be dead. We don’t know how he got killed but Gouki did do him in, because he tells Ryu in Z2 that he’ll perish the same way. Whether it was with the SGS like Goutetsu or Gouki just overpowered him finally because he could possibly defeat the SGS like Gen, we don’t know. There was no cliff involved, Gouken’s final battle occurred in the dojo of Suzaku Castle.
I’m curious as well to see how Udon will depict this battle.
I know Ryu beat Ken during 3rd Strike. Ryuujinha stated Ken had to have the higher win tally and thus may have beat Ryu in SF2. I was just stating that Ryu apparantly has a better win record and thus Ken probably didn’t beat him in SF2. If anything Ryu probably beat him if they did fight as Ryu again has a better win record then Ken.
Is there any documented relationship between Bison and Akuma?
I mean everyone is so hung up on this akuma kills bison stuff, but honesty there is no direct evidence of anything other than a possible encounter in Alpha 3, where Bison dismisses the Dark Hadou as weak in comparison to the psycho power.
But in terms of the relevant games - the street fighter 2 series - their is only the implication of the ancient one in bison’s ending, a person who may or may not be akuma.
All im saying is that the explanation that akuma killed bison is unsatisfactory because there is no established motive or basis in the games for doing so. The fact that he randomly jumped in and killed him is pretty anti-climactic and ill thought out unless there is some sort of underlying relationship or rivalry between the two. Does anyone have any knowledge of a substantial connection?
It does make sense if you use your imagination and know a little bit about Gouki.
Gouki is always on the lookout for strong opponents to have a match against. Bison is extremely powerful, therefor he would definately attract Gouki’s attention.
Gouki may be irritated at Bison because he tried to mess with Ryu during Alpha 3. Gouki doesn’t want anything happening to Ryu as he considers him to be a worthy opponent one day.
Ryu was at the tournament. By now Ryu has given up on the Satsui no Hado, something that will definately piss off Gouki, as he wants a fight with Ryu under the influence of the Killing Intent. In an attempt to force Ryu back to using the Satsui no Hado, Gouki kills Bison, sending a message to Ryu that he is waiting for him.
We don’t know anything about the actual confrontation between Gouki and Bison, just that Capcom states that Gouki kills him. They could have actually had a real fight, but most of us just think he kills him outright because that’s what it looks like in Super Turbo when he appears during the last fight. Ultimately we have no information about this event other than the outcome.