Just resurrection. He had pretty much all of his other moves,though.
Sorry for being REALLY late on this. But I don’t think I can give a definite tier list for NG.
However…everyone except for Elena is playable. Alex is low tier in this too, but he’s usable.
I’m pretty sure Yun/Yang, Ibuki, Sean are top, necro is damn near top. But I’m not really sure. Oro is beastly in NG but I dont think he’s top. Maybe upper mid. IDK about Ryu & Ken. How ever I think they are above Dudley. Considering Dudley has a TERRIBLE match up against Ryu.
For 2I Ryu, the only differences I can notice are some shinkuu hadouken glitches against Hugo. Like the monkey flip (backwards throw) then shinkuu hadouken. Maybe even twice in the corner.
I would honestly play Denjin Ryu in 2I the same as 3S because I have a hard time spotting differences with Ryu. I tend to think of 2I Ryu with denjin as 3s Ryu with an extra stock.
Thanks man! Well, from what I’ve tried with Ryu, his Denjin game is about twice as dangerous. Its only problem is that characters generally fall faster, so some setups that would get you 4 hits in 3S will only have enough time for a 3-hit charge. With 2 stocks, though, It’s no big deal.
For NG Ryu, I’m pretty convinced that, aside from the infinite, that’s Ryu’s worst SF III appearance, with 2I being the best. Then again, I use Denjin exclusively.
What about NG Yun/Yang?
They are great fighter and have good basic and advanced combos.
NG: Ibuki could do up-close roundhouse(the punt kick) x n. Could also set it up off her super.
NG Oro: Launch xx Tengu, j.Fierce, j.Roundhouse xN. Technically not an infinite, but they’ll be stunned and dead before Tengu time runs out.
NG Dudley vs Dudley only: Forward-Roundhouse, repeat. Stuns before Dudley gets pushed too far away.
NG Yun/Yang: There’s a Genei Jin infinite in the video linked.
2I Hugo vs Gill only: Ultimate Throw (HCB+K), repeat. No claps necessary.
what can you do after hitting the hashin sho or whatever its called with 2nd impact ibuki?
Sean has this weird hit confirm in NG with j.MK but I think it only works for SA2. It sets him up for maximum distance and then shoryu-cannon does 15 hits instead of 11.
It’s 16 altogether because the MK counts.
NG Sean: cr.mk -> rh hurricane kick = half stun. lol Damn those were the days.
What is Ken’s best SA in NG and 2I? I’m guessing probably 1 because SA3 doesn’t have all the properties it got in 3S?
Yeah, I remember people saying Shoryu Reppa was the best, but didn’t he have some funny Stun Combos with SA2 as well in NG?
Odd…in 2I, I pretty much use SA3 the same way and it still works, though with not as much damage. In NG,though, SA2 having 2 stocks gives it an advantage. Haven’t used SA1 too much. Guess I’ve played too much 3S!
NG Ken is most definitely beastly with the SA2. Two Stocks? Most powerful super? Punishes Jump ins? HELL MUTHA FUCKIN YEAH!
Not to mention it has hella reach with it’s vaccum effect. 2I Ken has crazy priority with Shoryuu Reppa, more so than 3S it’s bar is just too fucking long. :arazz::arazz: The priority of SR is also good in NG. Again, one bar and too long. The damage on shoryuu reppa is pretty awful too.
The priority of Shoryuu Reppa died in 3s. Making it borderline useless. You can still do okay with it. It’s really just there for classic fans now.
Ibuki is in a tier by herself in NG I think, between the infinite and 93409830893 hit-confirms for SA3.
Next would be Twins & Oro. Sean would be up here too if tornado kick was safe, but it’s not.
After that is all kind of a mess, nobody else can hang really. Rather silly game.
2i to me seems like:
S = Ibuki, Akuma
A = Yang, Yun, Sean
B = Ken, Ryu
C = Urien, Dudley
D = the rest
Ibuki lost the infinite but keeps all her other BS. I honestly don’t remember what makes Akuma so good…his divekick’s safe even when parried, maybe? Yun was never ranked high back in the day, but only because nobody knew how to use Genei-Jin. It’s actually easier to combo into than in 3s, but a bit less damaging since fierce shoulder sucks and he doesn’t have f+fierce. Yang is sooooooo much better in this game it’s not even funny; he can chain low short -> low forward xx whatever, his low strong links to all sorts of things, and he gets 2 stocks for SA1! Sean is Ken on crack basically, 2 stocks for SA3 is really helpful.
Ken himself is mostly the same as 3s, except SA3 has even more range and there are even more links into it. Too many other broken characters for him to be top though. Ryu is up here for one reason…DENJIN HAS 2 STOCKS.
Urien can still force mixups with Aegis, and there are a number of hit-confirms with Tyrant Slaughter as well. Dudley has a weird-looking crappy move in place of swing back blow, but is similar to 3s otherwise. I forget if f+RH is the same or not…
The remaining cast is pretty blah. Hugo of course has the infinite and a billion low jabs xx hammer mountain, but that’s it. Alex can actually link SA2 from jab flash chop in this game - if only they’d kept THAT in 3s! Oro & Necro are pretty awful as well. Oro’s got no unblockables or EX Tengu, and chicken combos are really screwed up. Necro is pretty much the same as 3s except Electric Snake does almost NO STUN DAMAGE AT ALL.
-Josh
I dont think yun is A tier but definately B possibly.
Elena is garbage garbage.
Sean is more like chun and ken. 2 damaging supers like chun and can link it from anything like ken.
Akuma is just good.
Dudley is definitely not C. Dudley is B ranked. Dudley has many hit confirms to rocket upper in 2I. Rocket Upper cut is beastly. Urien isn’t that great in 2I he doesnt have his aegis unblockables, and most of the set ups arent there. THe tyrant slaught really isn’t that great. Urien is D Ranked. I do agree with you on Yun, and that Yun is more a ranked. Son Of a bitch has his “LP -> LK -> MP” target which can link into basically his entire arsenal including supers. Only thing I couldnt link off was regular shoulders and EX lunge punches.
C is middle tier and D is low and E being the bottom. Urien is definitely low in 2I he can’t hang like a man without arms.
Maybe
S=Ibuki, Akuma
A=Yang,Sean,Yun
B=Ryu,Ken, Dudley
C=Everyone else
D=Urien, Alex, Elena
E=Hugo
Because despite Hugo’s infinite. He’s pretty much everyone’s bitch. He has a shitty hitbox that allows devastating combos. He’s slow, and you can’t play him like 3s hugo at all. Sure Gigas Breaker does damn new 80% on normal damage. But Hugo is not worth it.
Maybe Elena is E, I’m not sure but shes A LOT better than she is in NG.
Best super arts in 2I?
I remember:
Akuma: SA3
Ibuki: SA3
Yang: SA1
Sean: SA3
Yun: SA2 (?)
Ryu: SA3 (all SAs are good, though)
Ken: SA1
Dudley: SA1
Oro: SA2 (EX moves)
Necro: Who actually played with him?
Urien: SA1
Alex: SA2
Elena: SA2 (?)
Huge butt: SA3
yang is much better than yun in 2i.
genei jin is nowhere as good as it was in 3s. palm combos were almost non existent, he doesnt even have his f+hp, and hp shoulder is useless during genei jin. the damage potential is also much lower than his 3s version.
top: Akuma and Ibuki
upper top: Sean, Yang, Ryu (just for two stocks on denjin)
then the rest
LOL @ Necro: It was SA3 I believe
SA2 for Yun is good for EX. However despite having 1 bar SA1 has the best damage potential. Not to mention Yun can combo his godly target chain to SA1. Then shoulder and lunge punch eh…
Even though Hyper Tornado Sean is best, any Sean is greatness. Hadou Burst isn’t bad either. I actually prefer spinning beat to SA2…but I guess SA2 is for the masses. For Ken…I dunno Shoryuu Reppa has hella priority. The bar is too long for me.
For Yang SA1 or 3 is good. In this game Seiei Enbu has a bigger meter, thus more time. Yang has no problem building meter.
Ibuki may be the best with SA3. I like to use Kasumi Suzaku though…
Yun above Ryu? I know it’s just barely, but Yun’s damage potential is not quite 3s-like. Ryu has increased danger with his two denjins, plus the fact he can actually use EXs without compromising denjin.
@ Shiki: Akuma’s good for having his 3S offensive game times 100. His dive kick is very fast, has ridiculously good recovery, and it stuns long enough to go into his usual bnb’s almost every time it connects, IIRC. Also, he could do SA3 off a lk tatsu, which he can’t do in 3S if I recall. He still had the shitty-stamina-and-short-stun-bar problem, but he had a lot more to make up for it.
-Akuma can combo SAIII after his LK tatsu, just that it’s much more harder.
-He has slightly less stamina than the other shotos (about a shoto sweep less)
-Is it me or is Akuma’s crouching LK very slow?