Streaming and Recording Guide/Research

This looks like the perfect place for help ok So the capture card I’m plan on getting is the Roxio Game Capture and that is around $99.99 and at some places $82.88. I have seen some good and bad reviews but I would like to know can I get something better than this but around the same price range or is this worth the money?

Will I also need anything else to set up I dont want to stream I just want to record gameplay with good or decent quality. Thanks in advance

Roxio game capture is not a good device as the quality is really poor for the price. The Hauppauge HD PVR can be found for roughly $120-$150 if you look out well enough. Avermedia also has a game recording device but cost a good bit more.

The AverTV card is only $95

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815100049

This card is great for what most will do with it. I recommend it.

If your hardware is beefier I recommend the Blackmagic Intensity Pro, but then you have to deal with HDCP.

Callisto sent me a message inquiring about XSplit Remote Polling, so I shot him what I know about how to set up a local XML file for the job during a tournament. Figured I’d share it here, 'cause it’s relevant:

So yeah, does anyone know how to do the syncIDs thing Jaxel mentioned?

Also, it should be noted that it’s super useful to have a program make the XML file for you; if you know scripting, I highly recommend it. My own Python script for this purpose (and others) is in major disarray and really needs some refactoring atm, otherwise I’d just share it.

So I have a streaming setup I used off and on for SD games on my desktop, and now I’m putting together a new setup for my laptop since I don’t usually game near my desktop these days. With this new setup comes new ideas and some complications from those ideas. With this laptop setup, I will want to have a webcam pointed at my hands, showing me playing (it’s the game beatmania IIDX and some people like to see hand positioning for it), and also using that webcam’s mic for hearing the buttons click.

Thing is, I’m not sure I can get all of this in sync. I’ve looked into it a bit, and apparently with Virtual Audio Cable you can delay a sound input, so if your audio is ahead of your video (and that’s usually how it goes with capture cards) you can figure out the delay and have VAC compensate. That’s all well and good for one set of sound + video for a source. But now we throw the webcam+mic in the mix. If my webcam’s video is significantly less laggy than the capture card’s video, that would mean that the hands-cam wouldn’t line up with the gameplay. I could delay the webcam’s mic input so the button clicks line up with the gameplay audio (which would probably be best since I play with speakers, so you’d hear a significant echo if I didn’t line those up), but is there anything that can be done to delay the hands-cam video?

For the record, I’m planning on using XSplit as my capture/streaming program, with a Hauppauge USB-Live2 USB as a capture device (btw a page on their site says you can’t use it as an audio input with other programs, but I emailed their support and they said you can, and that info is outdated), and probably a ~$30-50 Microsoft or Logitech webcam (less concerned with resolution, more concerned with clear fast video, especially in low light, since my desktop’s crappy webcam makes my hands look like a moving blur unless the room I’m playing in is sunlit). On my desktop I used XSplit once and didn’t really mess with it, most of the time I used VHMultiCam and FMLE, with a Hauppauge ImpactVCB capture card and a crappy Phillips webcam (with no sound)) where I never paid attention to if it lags behind my input video.

I don’t suppose anyone has used the BMI shuttle with the Gigabyte GA-X58-USB3 board? I’m trying to make sure it’ll work well before I invest in it, I’ve never owned any USB3.0 hardware before.

The shuttle isn’t the best external solution. If you really need an external setup, you are either going to want the HD PVR, or the Matrox MX02 Mini(which is a large investment). You are looking at a desktop, so why not just use the HD PVR? It works just fine and can bypass HDCP(for all those that play on PS3). You’ll need a cheap HDMI splitter, but that’s it.

No it can’t and most newer capture cards either can’t read the 240p signal or read it as 480i.

I’ve wired my cabinet up to output the signal through either a scart connector or a DB 15 port (looks like a VGA port but doesn’t support the separated syncs that is associated with VGA as well as generally SD resolution and not ED). That is fed into an xsync1/SC5001n capture combo from micromsoft.

You could upscale that with an item like the framemeister to hdmi outputs and resolutions.

Otherwise you can install a jrok encoder which will convert the regular RGB signal coming from the cabinet to composite/s-video/component. But again in the digital age we’re now in, most capture devices that I’ve tried won’t allow for deviation from NTSC specs and simply won’t display anything.

Or hook that jrok up to a dvd recorder.

I currently use the Aver card, but I mainly need something with HDMI that just plays nice with xsplit so I don’t need a second monitor to stream, am already set with my splitter and whatnot and don’t want to use a PCI slot.

edit: when I looked at the HD PVR I recall it saying it was component only, is there a different model?

HD PVR is definitely not the way to go for streaming, also the avermedia card works pretty well with xsplit. What problems are you having it not working?

Xsplit, as well as pretty much any software ever outside of AverMedia Center(virtualdub, FMLE) does not recognize the HDMI input of the Aver card, only the component input. In order to stream properly with Xsplit I have to use AMC as a viewer and capture that screen region, which to do cleanly requires 2 monitors.

What version of the driver software and what source? If it’s a PS3 it may have HDCP enabled, if so, you need to bypass it. There is a way to do it with the card, but I cannot recall how it is done.

I have whatever the most recent driver they released last year was afaik(edit: 1.12.64.43 per my machine), and I pretty much exclusively use 360 via HDMI.

So if I’m looking to record gameplay but not stream what is there available for $200-300? I’m using HDMI for my PS3 and if I’ve read correctly it’s a bit complicated/I’d have to buy additional things if I want to record straight from that?

Or would it be easier to just get the Hauppauge HD PVR and just switch back to component whenever I want to record?

my old capture setup was 360 Component > HAVA Platinum (passthrough) > HDTV. i just picked up an Evo monitor and i’m looking into my options for recording (not streaming), and as far as i can tell they are:

  1. purchase HDMI Splitter & HDMI to Component Converter, then feed that into the HAVA (~$90)
  2. purchase an HDMI capture card ($100+++)

HD isn’t really a big deal as my current HAVA product only captures to SD; i’m trying to decide if it’s worth spending the extra dough on a card. i have to check if i even have an open slot on my motherboard, and the other wrinkle is i’m Linux based - the HAVA caps over the network so i just cap to a Windows VM - does anyone have any first-hand experience with HDMI cap cards under Linux?

The intensity pro works, but I’m not sure on the exact setup. if you do purchase one, here is the link to the most recent Linux software:
http://www.blackmagic-design.com/support/detail/?os=linux&sid=3947&pid=3989&leg=false

It’s a large file @155mb, but it comes with some software and stuff.

I’ll see if I can find any other capture devices that may suit your needs.

http://www.avermedia.com/avertv/Product/ProductDetail.aspx?Id=565

anyone knows if it’s a go-go or no-no?
and what I mainly wanna know: does it support 1080p60 or is it dumped down to 1080p30?

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