Streaming and Recording Guide/Research

You know, I believe this might actually deserve a new thread.

That it does, that it does. Really useful tool that needs some more publicity.

This program is really nice actually. Really simple to use in my opinion.

This is what I did by making an alternate source image in GIMP(took like 3 minutes):
http://i.imgur.com/cQbU0l.jpg

Ignore the overall low quality of the image, I compressed it quite a bit. It needs a little bit more tweaking(and I need to pick a different font that looks more like the rest of the game), but I’m pleased considering how quickly I threw it together. The score locations and such were very easy to adjust. The background image was just a screenshot from marvel I pulled online(I didn’t want to hook up everything just for one screenshot), but this image is a direct screencap from Xsplit. I really liked how simple it is to setup. Much easier than the old process of:

  1. Make Template
  2. Add Text Boxes
  3. Export Image
  4. Add to Xsplit
  5. Set text boxes
  6. Refresh Xsplit

This app takes a bit longer to set up, but it can be modified much faster.

So I know it’s been quite some time, but I’ve finally gotten all of my streaming equipment and pretty much followed the guide linked in the post quoted, save for instead getting the Avermedia HD DVR capture card. I’ve got picture quality running fine but I’m having a lot of issues with sound. I simply can not get sound to play through my stream. I had it working on a previous laptop but that one crashed so I’m currently running on a new one. If anyone would be able to help me troubleshoot why my sound isn’t working I would be awful grateful.

Does anyone know if the Roxio Game Capture can be used with TwitchTV? Thinking about getting that for some 480p streaming. And will it be better to split the component and convert one signal into HDMI to use on my Evo monitor? Will it produce any lag? Or should I get HDMI splitter + HDMI to Component convert(which cost a lot more)?

I have it and use it. It does work with Xsplit and can broadcast on twitch tv. I am not sure about that lag. If your streaming from a stationary place then I suggest you get a hdmi/vga splitter + a desktop PCI capure card, unless you want a portable setup. I like it much more than the dazzle.

You want an HDMI splitter + HDMI -> Component. Signal-converting converters generally add lag (this isn’t always a significant amount), but I don’t think I’ve heard of a Component->HDMI converter that has been proven to be lag-free. Lag on your stream isn’t as sensitive; as long as it’s not a huge lag (like a Hauppauge would introduce, which will noticeably desync from any cams you use) there’s no advantage to seeking 0-latency converters for the capture side of things. The Roxio probably isn’t a lag-free capture setup anyway (compared to an internal card), but like I said, it’s not exactly the most sensitive part of the equation (low-latency player-side video must be prioritized).

I’ve heard good things about this converter for HDMI->component, but haven’t used it myself. I rock the way more expensive HDFury2, because I bought it when it was the only HDCP-stripping converter on the market, but I’ve heard that this one works well and may be buying myself one as a backup sometime soon.

But yeah, don’t put a converter between the console and the Asus for the players. A powered (can’t stress powered enough) HDMI splitter (like this one) will add no latency, and should be the only thing in that pipeline.

Hope this helps!

There is a powered Component -> HDMI converter that seems to work with very minimum to no lag from what I’ve been reading. I’ve ordered everything so hopefully it won’t be that bad lol. If it just a few ms i think that should be alright. lets hope for the bet. Will report once everything comes in.

I’d love to hear how it goes. Also, which one did you go with? I’m tempted to order a few different adapters and run some proper, documented tests just as a useful resource for the community.

http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=101&cp_id=10114&cs_id=1011406&p_id=5971&seq=1&format=4#feedback

That’s what I bought. It was recommended by someone in my scene. I’ll definitely post some feedback as soon as I get it.

Hi,

On the software side of things. I want to take clips that I have in Final Cut X pro and play them into some sort of mixer and apply overlays with Adobe After effects in the ‘mixer’ too. What I’m thinking of is something similar to CamTwist but allows you to directly stream into the ‘mixer’ then off to the Adobe Media Live encoder.

tl;dr: is there any way to get a live stream going from Final Cut/After effects to something similar to CamTwist?

I’ve been searching around for a ‘Virtual DVCHD’ cable but I don’t think anyone has made one.

Well I received everything on the weekend and had a chance to do some test streaming of our casuals. My set up is Xbox -> Component out to Roxio Game Capture -> out to Monoprice Component to HDMI converter -> to my Asus monitor. There is absolutely no lag on the monitor however the picture quality isn’t as great as HDMI but it is still very good. I’ve been testing the stream with FME, and Xsplit (which I can’t get to stram without lagging). Luckily the guy in the scene that record stuff have Wirecast so I was able to use that and it was pretty good. I’m pretty happy with the capture device and the converter. here’s the link to my stream if you guys want to check out the quality. I’m still learning about the quality settings so it isn’t that great www.twitch.tv/801_utsf

Ugh, I’m dumb. I’m still trying to figure out Jaxel’s Xsplit Panel Writer. As a test, I’ve so far just applied the images unto separate shots. Started the writer app and them from there, I’m not quite sure what to do.

The panel writer makes .png files for you to use in the directory its in, you add those output files into Xsplit or put it into a one image slideshow so they update.

I have Wirecast and Xsplit. However, I wanna use another program to record two videos at the same time. Although, I could use Wirecast or Xsplit (but, it’s going to be a subscriptions fee down the road). I want to know if there are any programs that I can look into? I don’t want to edit and sync videos.

Thanks.

Updating this.

Anyone using Wirecast 4.1.x? When I stream. My Frames Per Seconds drops to 14 and I never had this situation. I used to run 25FPS when I am streaming MvC2. Now, I can’t stream anything without the frames dropping.

I can’t use xSplit because it doesn’t have audio outputs like Wirecast. I have to either use a mixer or stereo mix. With Wirecast, I can load the audio master and enable/disable or lower the volume for each program/microphone that needs to be done.

Do you think that I need a lower version of Quicktime? Or is Direct X 11 screwing Wirecast?

Encoder. H.264
Size: 1280x720
Frames: 25
Audio: 44.100 kHz
Average Bit Rate: 800

Time of this report: 3/1/2012, 20:23:38
Machine name: ALEXANDER-PC
Operating System: Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit (6.1, Build 7600) (7600.win7_rtm.090713-1255)
Language: English (Regional Setting: English)
System Manufacturer: Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd.
System Model: GA-MA785GMT-UD2H
BIOS: Award Modular BIOS v6.00PG
Processor: AMD Phenom™ II X2 555 Processor (2 CPUs), ~3.2GHz
Memory: 4096MB RAM
Available OS Memory: 4094MB RAM
Page File: 1447MB used, 6736MB available
Windows Dir: C:\Windows
DirectX Version: DirectX 11
DX Setup Parameters: Not found
User DPI Setting: Using System DPI
System DPI Setting: 96 DPI (100 percent)
DWM DPI Scaling: Disabled
DxDiag Version: 6.01.7600.16385 32bit Unicode

I tried out the somewhat-well-known method of using the default drivers with a Microsoft Lifecam Cinema to deliver a consistent 30fps framerate. However when I was streaming the other night, the camera was about 2 seconds late at all times. Was this a fluke? If not, is there a way to get a consistent 30fps with the stock LifeCam drivers (which don’t lag anywhere near that much)? With the drivers installed I had turned off TrueColor and auto exposure adjustment but it didn’t seem to improve at all.

Here’s an example:
http://www.twitch.tv/danadamkof/b/310571969 Skip to around 2:20 and watch for the gameplay footage to show a red line on the left hit the bottom, that should line up almost exactly with my left hand moving the turntable on the left side of my (abomination of a) controller.

If you need more info on my setup, let me know.

Well, I am using just a capture card and sometimes a webcam to show player’s reaction. But, usually I stream with a capture card nothing else. Are you using Wirecast or Xsplit?

A bit of a contrived setup (the company I work for let me borrow some stuff), I’ll list it all out. Mind you when I have the software installed for the webcam, the framerate is worse on it (you can see it here http://www.twitch.tv/danadamkof/b/306958605 (edited with better example)) but it’s basically in-sync. I restarted my stream a few times that night (only night so far where I’ve streamed without the webcam software installed) and I’d think that’d give it a jolt enough to line everything up, I dunno.

Streaming software: latest Wirecast Pro (GPU-accelerated encoding (or whatever it’s called) is enabled), mostly ~675 kbit total bitrate (about 1/2 my upstream) with h264 and mp3, fed into Twitch.tv
OS: Windows 7 Pro x64
Webcam: Microsoft Lifecam Cinema (no software installed, auto exposure disabled) (also using its onboard mic)
Capture card: Viewcast Osprey 240e capture card using Component Video and Unbalanced Line In inputs, with a Magma PCIe to Expresscard enclosure/adapter
Console: USA PS2 running in NTSC, with composite fed to a TV, component fed into capture card, RCA audio fed into TV and “audio monitor” output fed to capture card
Computer: Lenovo X220 laptop
CPU: 2.4ghz i5 (can’t remember which exact one) (never gets above 45%)
RAM: 8GB DDR3 (never above ~33% in use, don’t really ever get “thrashing”)

That oughta cover it.

Not a bad specs for your computer. I have Wirecast Pro 4.1.2. Do you think I should do something with the truecolor?

I only had disabled it to see if I could disable auto-exposure to get a better framerate (which works on some other webcams). I didn’t see any improvement done that way but I didn’t test it that thoroughly.

I have no idea if there were any flukes in the system at the time, but if what I observed is true, then you would want to uninstall the software/remove the installed drivers/install again with only default drivers/disable auto-exposure if you want a consistent 30fps, don’t mind the ~2sec lag, and the lighting won’t change a lot (that’s what auto-exposure is for). Otherwise leave it, and deal with the less fps.

I will probably mess with this some more next time I stream… but it’s so much fun playing for an audience that I may just jump right into streaming, sorry if that happens :slight_smile: