I think that Avermedia is exactly what I’m looking for…thanks!
thanks for the help, fellas.
Hey guys. I just got my Black Magic Shuttle and have been streaming with it all day, thought I’d share my experience.
Bit of a bumpy start, due to the need for high-bandwidth USB3 I spent a long time finding firmware and driver updates for my onboard USB3 controller, along with a BIOS update. In the end and after much restarting I managed to get my P8P67 PRO to cooperate. Turning off power saving settings in the bios seemed to help a lot.
Quality
This thing records beautifully all the way up to 1080i60 on component and 1080p60 on HDMI. So far I’ve only managed to record my PS3 on component due to HDCP but I’ve got no reason to believe that using the HDMI would be anything less. Since the device acts as a directshow source you can use it like a webcam straight into xsplit or FME reducing the quality loss and drastically reducing the CPU requirements compared to screen capture. You can also make it deinterlace (get rid of the lines) interlaced formats making 1080i look as good as 1080p, this is done in hardware so no extra resources are taken.
Lag
Using xsplit and having the shuttle as a directshow source I got between 0.25 to 0.5 seconds of lag in the preview, noticeable but not experience breaking. Through the passthrough the lag reduced to almost nothing, though I haven’t managed to test the speed. For those worried about losing too many frames on the passthrough then it can be avoided by using a distribution amplifier (component) or HDMI splitter before the shuttle.
Compatibility
This is where it really lets itself down, its too far ahead of the technology. USB3.0 is a young standard born of lies and slander and using it to its fullest like the shuttle wishes brings a whole lot of problems. You need to have the right USB3.0 controller for a start (renesas/NEC being the most commonly compatible), ontop of that it needs to be using a PCIe 2.0 bus, it also needs to be the only thing using that bus so depending on your chipset design this may mean removing other PCIe x1 cards. The x52 chipset is known to be the most compatible, though with a lot of tinkering the P67 chipset can be made to work as well. Be prepared to update your drivers, firmware, and BIOS to get this thing working. Since power saving features tend to chug up the PCIe bus bandwidth its a good idea to disable those too, these are the C1E, C3, C6 and C7 options.
Last thing, for anyone considering getting a shuttle to stream from a laptop there are NO expresscard USB3.0 cards that currently work with the shuttle, there are however a few laptops such as recent MSI that have native USB3.0 chipsets and will support the shuttle’s need to chug bits.
All in all a good bit of kit if you have the hardware to run it, I got it for about £150 which was a good £50 cheaper than the other two USB2 solutions.
If you don’t want to risk the hardware compatibility gamble then theres always the Black Magic Infinity Pro, a PCIe2.0 x1 solution that is almost guaranteed to work and does an identical job in a less portable fashion.
About Laptop compabitility, latest Lenovo thinkpad with core i5 and i7 Sandy Bridge work with Blackmagic Shuttle, beware, some Thinkpad don’t have USB3 like T420. So far T420s and T520 are okay, X220 are okay if you get them with i7 cpu (i5 and i3 X220 don’t have USB3)
Is there any real difference between the shuttle and the intensity pro other than usb vs. pci?
not really much, core drivers are pretty much the same, input and output too.
Can anyone with the intensity pro give me a ballpark of the dimensions then? I’d prefer the PCI card but I need to make sure there’s enough room to fit it next to my GPU/aver card.
=O I’m looking for a bit of software help. I finally got my setup working, I see it all on screen and everything, but I’m having some trouble streaming. I got the Avermedia HD DVR, and I think I was originally told that Xsplit or Adobe Flash Media Live Encoder would be the best programs, but Xsplit freezes when I try to select the decivce and Adobe says "Video format provided by video capture device is not supported by this application."
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
I’m also getting some bad lag though I followed the guide posted a little bit earlier, pretty much down to a T. Only idea I have is that I’m using a HDTV instead of a monitor?
My friend is giving me a dazzle he no longer needs since he upgraded. I want to know if I’m doing this right because he’s just giving me the dazzle, no cables. Are these the things I need to get started?
http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2103709&CAWELAID=107597908 x3
Dazzle does not support component cables, also don’t use y-splitters, you need a distribution amplifier
Will the splitters not work? I will get a distribution amp eventually but right now im just trying to get a cheap setup for now to record matches.
So then this would work for the dazzle?
http://www.amazon.com/RiteAV-6ft-Audio-Video-Cable/dp/B000V0DY7U/ref=pd_bxgy_sw_img_b
Can I still use the ps3 component cable so that I can still play at good quality? Want to know if I can have the whole setup with the composite cable from the dazzle to the splitters, as well as the component cables from ps3 so that I can get nice picture when playing and still able to get a picture on dazzle to record. Thanks
Shuttle doesn’t do 1080p60 it does 1080p30 though and it’s a royal pain to try and get video to work at that resolution and framerate. They supposedly had a press conference claiming ,that if you were to obtain a fresco logic fl1009 usb 3.0 chipset, that it would be able to do 1080p60. But, alas as usual from blackmagic, they seemed to have dropped support for this card since a lot of people have been having issues with compatibility. They themselves claim that you have to have an x58 motherboard, but I can get this thing to work with a laptop with an hm67 chipset.
I have to agree with you on this this thing is the cream of the crop when you want to stream something with quality. Get ready when x264 releases the final code for 10bit and xsplit implements it, you’re going to be watching streams that look like you’re actually their in person watching the players’ monitors.
In a few days, i’ll test the HD72A from Timeleak.
It’s a PCI Expressx1 Card allow to record (and stream) up to 1080P @ 30fps.
Hope i can record PS3 without issue like with the HD80E.
http://www.timeleak.com.cn/en/uploads/201105/2011120648275608.jpg
Then I stand corrected. It would be nice to make a Blackmagic Shuttle compatibility megathread so we can find as many suitable setups as possible. I really this even with this device’s compatibility issues it is the #1 streaming device.
You will never be able to capture PS3 through HDMI, only component, which means 1080i maximum. This is due to HDCP being on games as well as movies. Sony will never give capture devices permission to decrypt HDCP content.
Just curious but I looked up the HD80E and it looked like a great option. What problems did you have with it?
I just hope i can record PS3 through HDMI like with the HD80E.
I don’t have the HD72A, not yet ^^
Can you record your PS3 through the HD80E? Does it support HDCP?
How do you record/stream the footage after that? Does it act as a directshow filter or does it have its own program so you have to use screen capture.
HD80E support HDCP and don’t respect that.
So yes PS3 is displayed via DirectShow and i can record directly with all capture programs (Vh Capture, VirtualDub, Xsplit (yes i can stream with), etc…).
HD80e is a chinese capture card and we know that China don’t respect most of occidental restrictions (…)
Wheres a good place to pick one of these up?