Streaming and Recording Guide/Research

Well, that’s an open ended question, but I’d say PC, as higher end PC’s are often cheaper than mid-range Mac’s. If you are getting a laptop just to stream, any dual core laptop with a decent CPU speed should suffice. This should be around $500 at most. If you want to do more, such as game look for an AMD or Nvidia chipset. A laptop such as this could be anywhere from $600-700 minimum, but expect to pay more. This is more of a mac vs PC argument, but…

As a comparion, here is a quad core PC(priced at $1149) which should be able to play any game you want with little to no issues:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834230147

The cheapest Mac, is $999. And, is dual core only. By comparison, the cheapest quad core macintosh laptop is $1800, and still doesn’t quite come to par with the ASUS.

Also, many streaming softwares are PC only, so you’d have to be on the lookout for that as well.

Get whichever you’re more comfortable with as a laptop for the rest of what you use. If you can afford a Mac, the build quality and general portability is generally a spot above equivalent PC’s, but you pay a hefty premium for that quality if you’re trying to get a one-to-one spec comparison. There are some great Mac streaming options, but as people have mentioned, there are just plain more on PC. I’ve had great luck with CamTwist and a suite of other software, specifically using an HD-PVR; better luck, actually, than I have in Windows to be honest.

That being said, you’re not going to get an ExpressCard slot on it (which would open up some hardware options) unless you go with a 17" model. The Thunderbolt port alleviates that to a certain extent, but hardware and software support there is still in it’s infancy.

So if you’re just streaming with an HD-PVR, either one will probably suit your purposes fine; it comes down to preference. If you could see yourself expanding your hardware regiment to other ExpressCard options for capture, PC might be better. For software support, do consider that Mac’s can, of course, run Windows in boot camp if you need them to; driver support isn’t spectacular though (the bi-modal GPU generally stays on discrete, in my experience). If you’re planning on running Windows on it, you’re better off just buying a PC.

would anyone NOT recommend using PCI-E extender cables? My GPU takes up WAY too much space and I don’t have room to add my capture card. I was looking into using a PCI-E extender cable so I could move my card down a slot. The extender will fit just fine, but I’m curious if it will decrease performance.

I am planning on making a SFF PC and I was hoping if it could double as a recording/streaming device.

I just knew recently that PCI-Express x1 cards work in x16 slots so I was wondering if a mini-ITX PC with a Core i5/i7 with a x1 capture card and integrated graphics would be sufficient. Would an AMD Llano chip also be a good alternative for this since the chip is an APU (CPU+GPU in one die)? From what I have read though the top of the line Llano chip is only about as powerful as an i3 in raw CPU power.

I don’t know too much about lower hardware anymore, but in theory it should work provided you have an adequate HDD to store the files. If you do want compression, I would not recommend a Llano chip, as it is cheaper to use integrated graphics and purchase a Phenom II x2 565(which will perform better) It will also have the useful L3 cache that the Llano lacks. If it’s just for capturing, a Phenom II would be the way to go.

So I’m looking into getting headsets to use for broadcasting and streaming. I’m looking for something that I can just plug into my mixer and go. I have a few gaming headset that have 3.5mm jacks and are USB powered, but my mixer doesn’t have a USB jack, so the mixer won’t generate power for the mic on the headset to work. Is there a way around this? Or are there broadcasting headsets designed to fit either 1/4 jacks or XLR ports and are powered by that connection? I have a Behringer Xenyx 802, and I’m wanting to run my mics through the mixer so I can control the levels, WHILE having the headphones on the headset playing the game volume through them. What does TS and Levelup use? I noticed they have big broadcasting headsets.

Spooky and many other broadcasters use the audio technica bphs1, level up and some other pro league casters use the sennheiser hmd-280. Both are xlr headsets, with 1/4 input jacks.

Damn, would you recommend something that’s not as expensive that has XLR ports or 1/4 input jacks? lol

Help please!! I have looked all over the net trying to resolve this issue and I am left believing that it is xsplit that is causing the problem.

I have a Blackmagic intensity pro pci card and am using xsplit to stream. However when I stream the video is lagging by 5 seconds. Meaning that what people on the stream are watching is 5 seconds behind the commentary. The audio is perfect just the whole thing lags behind by 5 seconds.I have looked all over the net and have found several things but none of them work for me. I am not taxing my pc at all so I don’t think it is that.

Is there a fix for this? I am using xsplit only to stream as it pulls the info right off of the blackmagic card.

AMD Phenom X6 (6cores)
6GB gskill ram
ATI 6670HD
Blackmagic Intensity Pro PCI
Windows 7.

I just reinstalled windows and have 10000MB of virtual ram. No other programs are installed. This pc is just for streaming.
When I stream I am only using 46 - 50% of my CPU and 2.3 GB of RAM.

Please help!! I need this up and running before my next tourney.

I have to say the happauge pvr is really nice. i wanted to get into recording video game footage(not really street fighter just me playing loI) and maybe go back and see where im having problams so did a little research and came accross the pvr. ended up buying it off amazon and im pretty happy with it. just wis hit had a remote or something. been recording the last month and even uploaded a few youtube clips. pretty satisfied with it!

the main challenge really was just learning how to edit. good editing really takes a college degree or just professional exp just to be good at pieces stuff together but over the past month i’ve learned vegas pro some and making much better clips than i use to. :slight_smile:

one thing i dont really like tho is of course the lack of a hdmi. Instead of using fraps or bandicam lagging my pc while game i wanted to see if i could record my pc the same way as my cable and console but after buying a hdmi to component converter and it not working with my pc ive given up there

I’m considering getting some recording equipment. what i’m looking for is to record in 360p or 480p (component quality) but still play in 720p on my TV (or as close as possible).

I use a VGA cable to play on my 360 and I am currently considering buying the following items:

1x VGA Splitter
1x VGA cable
1x VGA to RCA component converter cable
1x USB capture card (e.g dazzler)
2x RCA splitters for the sound.
1x RCA to RCA cable (again for sound)

I may also need a male to female vga converter (which i already have), is this set up possible?

First off, you need to know the following: VGA and Component are different signals. Most “converter cables” aren’t actually converters – they’re adapters for devices that can specifically either output or input component (YPbPr) signals over a VGA D-Sub connector. This is not the case (to my knowledge, someone correct me if I’m wrong) with the XBox 360; it’s usually used for projectors and other specialty things… it’s an off-spec use of the connector that’s not even really standardized to my knowledge.

Secondly, “Component Quality” is actually not limited to EDTV (480p) – “HD” resolutions like 720p/1080i, and even 1080p in some cases, can be pushed through component cables.

You may be thinking “composite” and “component” are the same thing – they’re not. Component video is over three RCA-connector terminated wires (Red, Green, and Blue), while composite is a single Yellow RCA connector. Both of these will usually have an extra pair of RCA connectors for analog stereo audio (white and red). Most cheap USB capture cards are composite, but this is very low resolution (painful to play on, at this point).

Also, you should know, capturing at a different resolution than what you’re playing at is… well, it’s a pain. There are a few devices that do that by down-scaling on the device itself, but at that point you may as well just capture at the original resolution. Unless there’s a really good reason you want to record at a lower resolution, I’d advise against trying to work like this.

So now for actual advice:

First of all, the easiest answer would be to stop playing via VGA. If your TV has a component video input, use that. This would let you opt for a Hauppauge HD-PVR, or any other component capture device (AverTV just released a standalone device that’s supposedly pretty good, but I can’t find it on Amazon :|), and would simplify your set-up immensely. Instead of splitting the signal, you can just use the component pass-through to your display… makes everything a lot easier to set-up and understand. Then you’d be capturing and playing at 720p, and the intensive part of the capture process (the encoding) is happening in a separate box.

If component for your TV isn’t an option directly, you can still make it an option – get a Component -> VGA converter box. Then you can do Game console -> Component capture box -> (passthrough) -> VGA adapter -> Monitor. Still a relatively simple video path, and you get to play and capture at 720p. There’s plenty of info in this thread and this one over here for everything I’ve just described.

Hope this is helpful, good luck!

thanks! my tv doesn’t have component. (i was meant to say vga to composite cable. not component.) and i was hoping to not spend any more than £50 on the equipment. i’m well aware of happauge but this it out of my price range. I will look into component to VGA converters though so i will have to do some further research for it :slight_smile:

I am started a 3 part guide to streaming here:

anyone know if its possible to stream with this, or just record?

Yes, put your mic audio through this app, and have xsplit pick up it’s output.

http://www.daansystems.com/radiodelay/

That’s a record-only device. It has a laptop HDD port on the bottom apparently, which actually makes it a really neat tool for grabbing backup footage… but it’s worthless for streaming, as I understand it.

I am thinking that I would like to start recording my online matches of MK 9 (as well as any other fighters that I will play in the future). However, I do not own a laptop and my desktop is located no where near my Xbox 360, so I’m guessing that I will have to resort to a hand-held HD camera that will record video.

I skimmed through a couple of pages within this thread to see if anyone is using a handheld for their recording, but it looks like everyone is using a capture card of some sort. So, that being said, does anyone have any recommendations on any camera models or even just specs that I should look for to accomplish what I want to do? I’m looking to spend somewhere within the $100 - $250 range.

Thanks, guys!

doesn’t that new avermedia capture device record without a computer? You might google that and check it out. I heard them talking about it at scr.

I believe it can, and store things locally, but I don’t think it works for streaming or with the aver mediacenter app for live viewing.

Got an issue of my own that I had no luck with in its own thread, maybe you guys will have some ideas:

I want to start having the xbl chat from my online sessions come through on my stream, but I’m having two problems. First off, when I have my wireless headset on, I can’t get the chat output to come out any way but through the headphones, setting my preferences to ‘speakers’ or ‘both’ results in no chat audio coming out at all and I can’t figure out why, if I turn off the headset completely it’ll come through the speakers just fine.

Second, it obviously only picks up my incoming chat, and not what I’m saying into the mic. What I’d like to get set up is a single mic that can output to both xbl and my PC at the same time, so I can just set the mic up to be added to the stream via xsplit. Anyone know if it’d be possible to just frankenstein a single desk mic to output to both my PC and xbl? I was thinking of taking apart one of the cheapy wired headsets and soldering wires from the desk mic to the xbl mic pcb instead of the wireless headset wires, but I’m not sure if I can just solder a second set of wires to the desk mic signals and have it come out to both sets, I’m pretty new to wiring. Any thoughts on this or a simpler solution?