This is a terribly flimsy argument.
How many times does it have to be explained that all popular forms of sports and entertainment (NFL, UFC, NBA, MLB, WWE, etc.) commentary are censored and teenagers/young adults enjoy these things day in and day out and spend truckloads of money on their products.
If it matters at all, I’d much rather listen to S-kill and Jchensor commentate during matches than anyone else out there. I’m sure it’s not a coincidence that they don’t curse, or say the same stupid trendy catchphrase over and over (salty/mortons, free, on blast, real talk, etc). There’s a difference between censoring your personality completely, and just having a little self control. At least a spoonful of intelligence doesn’t hurt either.
But we don’t want your brand of popularity, nor your particular type of success. This thread proposes higher standards-- we don’t want to compromise our integrity. The real draw of people to EVO is the competition, not the cursing. Many enjoy just getting drunk and hanging out/social aspects, but that is ancillary to the main reason we gather: the competition. We don’t agree with your view that EVO and it’s core purpose should just be exploited to let the kids be kids, venting hormonal rage or whatever. There’s more to why we all get together on the same weekend than just that.
As Kuroppi said, that doesn’t explain for them ponying up cash for officially licensed mega popular sports merchandise. Besides, lots of things are wanted by teenagers/young adults, such as low cost auto insurance but funny how they don’t ever get it. Just because teenagers and young adults want something doesn’t mean they should get it.
btw nice to know you value “experience”. Some of us have more of that than others.
No, but I guess I wasn’t clear enough, so how about this: Maybe one day, you will have kids yourself. You might want to share your exploits with them or your parents, the ones that kicked you out of the house at age 15 (you were man enough to pay your own rent, right? Cause I can imagine your Street Fighter budget was a lot fatter once your rent and food are taken care of). Or maybe not, but some of us DO want to be able to do that with our families, coworkers etc.
Do you offer money-back guarantees of your underwear? Or do you look down on your customers as people you suckered?
Be wary of your underwear purchase from DSP;
Cause DSP,
Is no friend to thee;
Don’t want some other guy’s name,
On your peepee;
But if you must;
At least do this I trust;
Cover it up;
Suit pants on the legs, dress shoes on your feet;
DSP commentary left to the side, Seth and Chen J. to hype the feats
Well guess what, it makes perfect sense if you “take something for granite” ie it is tangible, it is not just soft dirt, it is more “concrete”, if you will, because even if you won’t people can still understand this. It means the exact same thing. It is not some sign of “idiocy” just because the English language itself is fraught with so much vocabulary, spoken in so many dialects and accents across the planet; both “granite” and “granted” make sense in that context. And we’re the ones who are over-worried about language? It’s good to see your attention to detail, but his syntax did not erode his semantics one bit even if you consider “granite” so wrong. You yourself misspelled “two” when you just said “someone who knows a thing or too about being popular and successful”-- but so what? Everyone can understand what you meant, just like we can understand what he meant. Ultracombo has a valid point:
You should NOT assume ST will just get attention and when it does, be grateful for the exposure.
This is especially true considering the fact that whatever we’re able to do NOW in this regard is because we can stand on the shoulders of giants, those who came before you and built it up from nothing. And those people weren’t out to get rich, because it wasn’t about the money. There was a different metric for popularity and success than just money; we didn’t take cuts from the entry fees. Things are bigger now so its changing, but what is being done today is based on yesterday’s ethos. By the players, for the players.
Nice save. Two, too and to are all pretty easy to slip up on. But granite and granted are totally different words. You fill out several paragraphs to defend your argument and then at the very end slip up granite and granted and try to bullshit out of it.[media=youtube]6H9f8qUrF6w#t=02m03s"[/media]
Wait wait, I was just trying to hype up the thread, because that’s what really matters, hype right right. Ok XSPR’s rules:
Scum gale 88’s rules:
or, something along those lines? Your words are like soft dirt, they just sift over the land, blowing any which way and nobody knows what you are talking about. Your non-granite words sleep furiously.
I love straw men.
Maybe this whole cursing, shock jock thing is a core element of the identity of the fanatical SF4 masses.
A variation on Day Kitten Wolfram Lupus’s self-expression:
“Counselors warn these teens are experiencing transformations of their own: from childhood to adulthood. Young people are looking to define their identities, sometimes to come together and affiliate around a theme or an idea. Just really to belong, a sense of belonging.”
So injecting strong mainstream elements into that culture would poison it, because it strips away their niche safe haven of identity and belonging.
But for many of us tied into the older game communities (like ST), we look at the experiences we’ve had/seen in the ebb and flow of life within the various corners of the fighting game community. We’re tired of seeing the boom and bust that comes with unorganized, unfocused, grass roots, gaming.
We’d rather try to harness the energy this time around and get coordinated, solid legs under it so it can grow to be more than yet another bust when the masses feel compelled to drift to the next entertainment fad.
A strong temptation may be to believe that this vibrant scene of today is here to stay. That fighting games (as a genre or as a specific game incarnation) are a vehicle of true substance worthy and demanding of eternal, universal appreciation and celebration by the masses. That we have achieved a new level of presence that will not leave and will only grow.
But so many things threaten this notion. Look to the rise and fall of countless other communities of entertainment. Look to the fighting game genre’s own past.
So the idea is why not consolidate the gains while they are here: build a pipeline structure. Refine it into a form that can be sustainable even after taking a hit from player/masses exodus. Or that can channel and harness the energies that would come with continued growth.
Get CapCom (and other publishers) onto a revenue model that gives them incentive to SUPPORT existing popular games and existing healthy game communities, rather than CapCom being forced to push out current games/communities in order to plant new seeds with new games so they can sell units. Likewise, give them an economic incentive to actively support the community in tournaments, players, stores, and player organizations.
Look to other pockets of entertainment and cherry pick the communities that provide for the best blend of healthy player communities, company support for the scene, etc.
For me, I think one of the best bets is Magic: The Gathering:
Semifinals Set for Pro Tour Paris : Daily MTG : Magic: The Gathering
QFT. This would be the ideal imo
Sir, I respect you. If someone could actually convince Capcom and other game publishers to somehow find a way to continue to make money off of existing games, maybe they would actually SUPPORT the damn games rather than ignore the competitive SF community and make us try to build a skyscraper with nothing but sticks.
And yes, Magic: the Gathering is a perfect example.
It’s a giant shame that the people at the helm of this community can’t figure this kind of thing out. And it’s also a shame that once something intelligent is said on this website, it always turns into complete trolling.
Stuff Ryu Never Says
zaspacer’s post ought to be chiseled into a large piece of granite, which would be raised above the entrance of EVO for all entrants to see.
Great link too. I know next to nothing about Magic but right off the bat I can see that these guys are serious about their activity.
And MvC3 is just getting started, no less. Determining our core values is important for this discussion. The essential question is, is a tournament stream the time and place to curse or not. If we had only one thing to describe us (srk.com), what would it be, and if you took it away, then you’d have to say we weren’t us without it? In my view it’s competition. We basically try to answer the question, ok who’s the best at this fighting game, and how much better is he than the rest of us. Maybe I’m wrong and just out of touch, maybe it’s something else. To grow means, to me, to facilitate more competition. Granite, there could be some unknown rebel kid out there who is like the best fighting game player ever, and just looking for some game to get into, who would be offended to see corporate-looking suits on EVO streams not cursing, so he plays some other type of game instead. But I think it’s more likely that he’d hear about us (sooner than later) in the first place if we cleaned up our language, and the competition itself would draw him in regardless.
Ok granite, but in more granite terms, what specifically should they do in that regard? Time-release content doesn’t always bode well with the fans, e.g. many hate unlockable characters/content but that’s one way to spread the revenue out to try to keep the player base interested and a reason to keep playing the game to sustain it. Since being infiltrated by us, the players, into their internal ranks I have to say they’ve come a long, long way at least.
One way SRK already censors itself is in avatars. Isn’t it against our rules to show nudity or too much of a sexually explicit depiction? Why is that?
CapCom accepts lots of things, for example, fan art involving officially licensed characters and they don’t try to sue their fans over it. In fact, they even solicited the fans outright in a contest for such art recently. They even offered professional critiques, ie “this one is on-model, that one doesn’t have the right look”. Are they just being subjective? No, they have intellectual properties to protect and market and those things represent the brand. But if everyone spells their name Capcom instead of CapCom, it’s just not worth them getting worked up over 99% of the time. Don’t expect any official art to be too explicit from them, though. Any sexuality is limited at best. Basically, what I’m trying to say here I will just summarize into something more granite:
Ryu never says “fuck”.