I think studying frame data is just making use of all the resources available to you. It isn’t supposed to be the guideline on how to play but a supplement to it. Moves are more than the sum of their frames.
As a proponent of frame data I’d like a crack at these interviews. STEP YOUR GAME UP WITH A SUPER SCRUB.
marlinpie asked people about frame data and now no one does c.MK against his ken with him with ken haha
Word to Amir regarding the importance of sound in 3S.
It’s a huge pet peeve of mine to play on a quiet machine in a noisy room…I miss so much stuff and react so late to things without audio cues.
I’m not going to say hit confirming based on sound is the wrong way to do things, but I’d recommend people not try to learn the game that way. In a loud arcade, I can rarely discern the sounds coming from the cab I’m playing on from the rest. Still, I get my parry timing from sound cues, so maybe I shouldn’t talk :looney:
Well, I find that (and could be due to the lack of much timing) most of the podcasts jump from place to place quickly without going into much detail.
I think emphy’s suffers from this the most, but that might just be how he is, he can be that good without really having a solid understanding of what makes him good. When asked the match up question, emphy was kinda just like, I like hugo, I can do silly combos on him teehee~, which to no fault of his, playing urien v hugo is quite fun.
I was amazed by Pyros, but like I said, that might just be him. Pyro has a way of saying what he wants to in a concise manner, kind of like packaging the most concepts in as few words as possible, I really dug it.
I don’t think theres much you can do as the interviewer gootecks, it just has to come naturally…when I was hearing emphy I wanted to scream questions to him, when I heard pyro, its like he answered everything I wanted him to without you asking him.
Nica/DJ
And Nica, I know you play a lot of online 3s, but do you enter many tournaments? I don’t really know you to acknowledge you as a top player (I think you live on LI, but have never come to a tourney).
To say that using frame data “is an average players excuse” is pretty ignorant, KO Fiend knows his frame data well, and I’m sure he’s above “average”.
Tokido carries a god damn cvs2 frame book, but he might just be using that as an excuse.
nicako is pretty good, hes been to a few tourneys but they were all at web2zone, mind a long time ago he was better than me but not by a ridiculous amount, and back then i ws a lot worse so i cant really use that as a comprehenisve representiation of his skill also my spelling is awful
im glad there are players that think as poorly as me about how they play though.
I like the questions that put players in a situation that gootecks has been doing like…
“Ok, you’re both midscreen, have 65% life and blah blah, what do you do?”
It focuses the discussion from getting too theory.
I want to say that these podcasts are a godsend for me. Ryan is a great interviewer, no doubt about it.
For the emphy interview, sure I would have wanted to hear more about how he was able to raise the level of his 3s game from playing cvs2 and tekken (since I don’t play either of those games,) but that’s just quibbling. Keep up the good work ryan! 3s for life!
And I think emphy does have a deep understanding of the games he plays–he’s just more laid back about it. Listening to him, I feel like I can understand why he was able to benefit so much from choi, ricky and bronson up in norcal–he’s just a guy who likes games and doesn’t feel like he has to prove something. My guess is that most players are glad to share knowledge with him because he looks like he plays the games for fun, not for pride.
Yeah, gootecks does the right questions, but so far only pyro has known what to do on every single situation, or at least explain what he tries to do.
All the other I think are more like feeling the moment, like they dont care if they are full screen away, up close, or full health, or no health, they do what they want to do at any point of the match regardless of what is actually happening. I could be wrong, but that is what sounded like.
Don’t forget that pyro is the most experienced too, they all have been tru so many situations, but Pyro has been in even more situations, with so many different players from japan, usa, maybe euro players.
But all in all, they all gave good advice in the podcast, whether it was technical advice or just something “random” like, what do you eat, and if that can influence in the match. Everything counts and everything is helpfull, all the podcasts have been good, just that pyro’s was great, lol.
good shit.
i liked the podcasts but have to echo everybody else–pyro’s was by far the best one.
on a random note, cigarettes and rockstars. ew.
I second this! Get Frankie and get him to toke up right before the podcast. Hell, even I’d donate the five or six dollars I have to my name right now.
Exactly. I don’t discredit those at all that use the books/numbers to their advantage. Pyrolee already mentioned that there’s quite a few people in Japan who study shit hard to help their game and even go as far as put pixel distances for attacks on their cell phones. That’s just nuts…I would never do that. Just like mentioned earlier…I love Tokido and he’s nothing but a walking book of frames. So is KO Fiend. :lol:
yeah i do play a lot online…but just cuz i play online doesnt mean im not getting the experience and getting better than before…i still practice offline and i have played in tournaments as henaki said…but the difference from back then is that im 20x better than before just cuz im able to play RLY good players online (EX: Exodus, Chi-Rithy and others) and experience the similar situations that top players experience…plus i never rly said i was a top player…i said good or higher level players like myself (not necessarily meaning top)
and im sure you know there are ignorant players in the 3s world which is basically what i was referring to with the frame data excuse part but KOFiend also has the experience as well so obviously he’ll be above average (he is a top player for a reason)
i may play online but i am aware of the differences and can take the experience from online and bring it to offline (online is like the hyperbolic time chamber…its heavier and yet you level up soo much by playing a variety of players and can bring it to offline play…all that would be necessary is execution practice offline which would just take at least an hour to get the feel…for me at least)
Thanks for the feedback. To be honest, I’m really not the best at this, this is just something I’m trying to do to help everyone. Pyro’s probably comes across the best for a few reasons:
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[]He is one of the best players in the country, hands down
[]He’s an English major
[*]He and I play a lot and have talked a lot so I know him pretty well
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You have to keep in mind that everyone’s is different and all the players are different. So some players might be better at playing 3s than they are at explaining it, but that’s just the way it goes. Although of course I’m still really new to this stuff.
Also, the podcasts with Emphy and Justin Wong were both done in the back of FFA during Evo West, compared to the rest of them which were done in my room while we were just chillin. So you could say that I was a little off my game because I was out of my element.
Thanks! Yeah, it seems like that’s how it is, which would explain the contrast between him and other players. But you could also look at it from a different point of view, by saying that well, maybe if you just play to have fun you can become as good as Emphy is.
Well that could be the reason why Pyro is one of the best. But thats kinda how I think of it too. Not every podcast can be amazingly insightful 100% of the time, but if you listen to all of them I guarantee you will learn something that will help your game from each of them.
I have no way to get in touch with Frankie, so this might be kinda tough to pull off.
is jwongs goin up soon? =P
im sorry i love this shit haha
This is false. Jimmy has a very deep understanding on how the game works. He’s pretty well-versed in frame data and also general knowledge of 3s. He just didn’t go into real detail about things.
I am in no way complaining, you’re doing a great job gootecks!
gootecks: Great podcasts man. Very informative. I donated last night. Can you try to get Sanchez or any top level Alex player on?
Peace
Can we get daigo and a translator
Ganna try and beg my parents to use their cards soon… I can give about 50…