You think there’d be less cheese in diamond but there are just better cheeses.
I got 10 rax reapered
then 8 rax marined
I’m slowly building up an immunity to cheese
Upgraded zerglings seems to work well against thors. Send in hydras for the banshies or mutas from behind so they dont get rapped by thors
Alright, so I checked out your replay. Take whatever I say with a grain of salt since Im not a zerg main, I just have a lot of experience vs them (my brother mains zerg)
You need to first of all work on your queens. They sat at 200/200 energy way too much, and you didn’t make creep tumors. Creep tumors are really important because your roaches move so fast on creep, you can exploit the terran mech immobility even more. Creep tumor as much as you can towards his base.
Secondly, with zerg you NEED NEED NEED larva. This typically comes from queens barfing, but in your case you werent keeping up on that. I really suggest building a third hatchery in your main so you have more larvae available bw style, or practice your spawn larva.
You also did a couple of needless attacks, when terran took his natural and bunker/tanked up, instead of expanding you went and attacked head on, losing all your roaches. Not smart. Use those roaches to protect your expansion.
Early on, he did a lot of hellion/marine harass. Banelings would have been huge here, and considering you have 1k+ gas free most of the game, find a way to spend it. Get those banelings and punish those marines early on.
Your mutas were good, but you got scared of the thor and stopped attacking; they sat in the corner the second half of the match. When his handful of thors were wandering the map, you could have attacked and harassed half of his base easily, disrupting him and forcing him back. But you didn’t, you just wasted them.
Hydras at some point would have been smart against the thors, as would speedlings + guardians end game.
UPGRADE! He was at least 1/1 midgame and you were 0/0. Again, this goes back to using that gas you have saved up.
Basically, without the huge larva stockpile from your queens and extra hatcheries, you couldn’t do what zerg does best: swarm with mass units. Work on having a bigger army numbers wise, exploiting the muta mobility, and you should be good.
Also, a nydus worm into his base would have pretty much wrecked him, but you played defensively and paid the price as you let your roaches just get owned.
Kind of funny what you can do in the map editor [media=youtube]iVHBPiQlDSI[/media]
woot, ok I finally felt I have enough warmups under my belt, so I go into my 5 placement matches with the intentions of doing the following:
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vs terran, do the white ra quick voidray style. Basically you scout at 9 pylon probe, check and see if theres fast gas/techlab so you can be prepared. you do a 12 gateway, then a cyber core as soon as its done, then chronoboost your stalker to get ready for any harassment from reapers. Then you build a pylon and hide a stargate in the corner of your base so its not prone to scan, then you add on gateways after that. Push out with zealots, and a stalker or two after you see theres no reapers. The idea is to get your voidray out fast, and use it to take down his wall in before he can tech up. By this point you have a proxy pylon and can warp in constant pressure, while using your gas on voidrays. Works really well.
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Vs Zerg, I do a fast 2 gate zealot opening and then push in with that, while Im putting pressure and forcing zerglings, I get cyber core and start warpgate + more gateways, its a standard 4 gate push with early pressure. The idea is to scare them into not teching to roaches and force the lings. This one is a bit more allinish, but I make sure to take an expansion just to have something to fall back on.
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Vs Toss, no idea what to do in this matchup I rarely play it : (
So anyway, heres a replay pack of my 5 placement matches I just ran, if anybody has any pointers I’d love to hear it.
Oh yeah, I made platinum too, so I guess when you’re back from Vegas you can update me to Platinum Iren, I guess I’ve evolved since beta from gold!
Edit: Heres the pack http://rapidshare.com/files/412662510/PimpWillyPlacement.zip
I’m having a hard time ZvT (which T seem to be rampant all over B.Net). They do the standard wall in to deny scouting so I have absolutely no idea what he’s doing past 4-5 minutes into the game. I usually build a couple Zerglings for anti rush and a couple of roaches in case, fast expand and try to tech Hydras fast. Is there a standard opening most Zerg players do blind vs Terran? The best solution I can think of is to tech to lair fast and get Overlord speed and sacrafice a couple of Overlords for info.
Its really hard to scout Terran when they do that kind of shit. You basically have to play blind and prepare for everything. Yeah, it sounds retarded because it is. There was a discussion on this on teamliquid.
This game is so goddam frustrating.
You can sack an overlord to scout terrans that wall in. It’s pretty much a must. Also learn to count their units so you can have an idea of what they’re doing. I would skip hydra and get mutas. 9/10 wallin terrans will go mech and there’s a window where you can harass with the mutas while the thor is out of position. If y ou want to play blind, try borrowed roaches. Move up to their tanks then unborrow.
But anyway 9/10 someone who plays random will all-in or cheese so I pretty much just play super defensive against randoms. If they don’t cheese/all-in, chances are that you’re better than them if they random so you will win in the long game.
@Dreaded Fist: You don’t always get info from an overlord, they’re so slow they can be easily killed by marines before they see anything. You can maneuver them to enter from their blindside but that takes even longer. The matchup is stupidly map dependent.
True, no one ever researches it though. At least that i’ve played against.
So I beat the campaign today, and really enjoyed it all together. One particular mission, the belly of the beast (or something like that), really reminded me of Diablo. My anticipation for D3 is reaching exotic status right now I simply can’t wait! I hope they can make some cool community game maps like DOTA with the SC2 engine.
I hate PvP. I’ve recently been promoted to Silver and every match has been cheesed the fuck out. It’s always either Cannon Rush or Zealot Rush. I seriously have like 25% win percentage against Protoss, but recently I have started cannon rushing and have gotten good results. I’ve been sending my scout hella early now (at 9, right after I put down my first pylon), but even then, it’s usually too late.
What should I do to counter Zealot Rush/Cannon Rush? Are there any safe openers in PvP?
Noun.459 dedicated Zerg
I feel like I’m finally familiar with most of the game, so I’ve moved on from playing A.I. to humans in unranked.
The hell do you do against mass Thors as Zerg? NP is good and all, but infestors die SO easily.
Against Thors, I guess you want to harass early if you can’t with lings/roaches. Then, banelings to soften the Thors. Infestors to mind control. You definately need a combination of things, because lings alone get massacred by Thors, and Mutas alone lose to Thors. If you can, I suspect the brood lords work well against thors/Terrans in general. It’s a challenging match up for beginners if you ask me. But try and limit their economy, because if all they are making is Thors, then they are hurting on resources if they don’t have any expanstion. So use those mutas (4-7) to scan the map for xp.
Double Post: Is there a way to block my online presence? I’d hate my friends to think that ALL I do is play SC2. The fact that I have to be online to play campaign/tutorials/challenge/etc annoys me.
I think mirror matches are just dumb in anything, Fighting games or RTS
As zerg, how do I counter early marauder/marines?
After playing this game extensively for the last couple of days, I can say that SC2 is nothing more than SC1 with an AWESOME fresh paint of coat. The races are cool, but I am not feeling the zerg right now simply because they don’t have that “cool” unit in their arsenal. The other races have too much cool units to use from Thors, Void Rays, Vikings, Stalkers, etc. The zerg have??? Nothing cool, i’m sorry… If anything, they are a pain in the ass and you have to attack in comination to whatever your opponent throws at you… So yeah, I play random but not feeling the Zerg right now…
I love the noices theu make and how crazy the lings attack in mass
Rush, if they block them self off, you can go for roaches and mutas, since mutas will take out marauders, roaches can take out rines. I only play 3v3. Ive been going for Hydra/Mutas now and seem to work pretty good. 4 infestors with full energy can take out a base pretty good if there not ready for it.