Star Wars

General Discussion
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Ohhh, it all makes sense now, I expected a good movie so they subverted that by giving me some mediocre shit. That is pretty meta. :tup:

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Go read comment’s anywhere online. Go to facebook,imdb,rotten tomatoes,etc. People are literally out there bitching that the movie is nothing like their theories.
“WHY WASN’T SNOKE DARTH PLAGUS”, etc.

To me no one can give legit reasons why the movie was bad aside from things that they subjectively didn’t like. To me the only true flaw and bad writing in the movie is

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Purple hair chick not telling anyone the escape plan because according to Leia: “She didn’t want to look like a hero”.

That alone makes her the worst written character in the movie.

Also. As far as DJ knowing about the escape plan. He didn’t. All he knew was that the rebels were prepping their escape ships for take off and that people were getting ready to board in the event that they failed to deactivate the hyper space tracker. DJ knew this because he was standing right next to Finn as Poe was telling it to him over the comlink.

3763

Calling it a bad movie is definitely a stretch, but the plot holes and bad character logic are there. Also people’s expectations were high as hell because of the overwhelming positive reviews from the press. Niggas were expecting a 9/10 and ended up watching a 6 or a 7. It’s storytelling so most judgement will be subjective. I’m watching it again tomorrow, see if there’s something I missed that might change my opinion.

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your sexist, hateful, and discriminatory comment further proves masculinity is toxic, degenerate and immature,
especially when the feminine shines brighter. You give males a bad reputation with your self absorbed fanaticism towards the male gender. The women don’t steal the spotlight in Episode VIII, there are plenty of strong males in the story too.
A good male human being would respect and honor women being important, smart, and glorified.
Just like good husbands/fathers/brothers/sons/etc. want their wife/daughter/sister/mother to be great, succeed, have self esteem, be a role model, etc.

when the masculine feels so bothered and threatened by female glorification, you bash it and underrate it,
but if every man was “right” in the movie, then every woman was “wrong” in the movie, you wouldn’t have made that misogynistic comment right now.

I mean my gosh, with all the EXCESSIVE male glorification pandering for generations of movies, and you feel SW Episode 7 and 8’s glorification of strong, brave, smart and heroic women is “too much”? Someone’s been sleeping with their father too long.

Also, Poe Dameron was right [details=Spoiler]in the beginning[/details], and Amilyn Holdo was right [details=Spoiler]in the later half. [/details]
Finn is not an idiot, the story doesn’t treat him like an idiot, he did what he felt was right,
and he was right in a sense, reckless in a certain case, but still a great guy.
who’s right or wrong is opinion based and point of view, but overall,
you really paint a really toxic, hostile, and misogynist viewpoint against the stories and women of the films.

Star Wars Episode 8 deserves a 10 out of 10, obliterates Empires Strike Back, exceeds expectations, surpasses Episode VII.
this new trilogy is shaping up to be the greatest trilogy in the Star Wars series.

[details=Spoiler]Poe is an awesome badass pilot at the start, and I say he made the right call.
that Dreadnought would have been a serious threat later on if it hung around. Poe’s decision is underrated, and the attention to the sacrifices don’t factor in what a big win it was to eliminate the Dreadnought from their list of problems.

Paige Tico’s effort and sacrifice is very emotional!!! of course deadbeats just see her as a flash in the pan, but her character, without even counting her sister, has meaning, and it’s great how it’s one of the examples that Episode 8 think outside the box of conventional storytelling, and touches upon how even the so called minor people and roles, still matter and contribute. things would have been different if Paige didn’t successfully struggle to the bone to get those bombs dropped. So Paige is a hero.

the pacing in Episode 8 in perfect, right up to the credits, I was amazed how it told everything it wanted to tell in that timeframe, and being the longest Star Wars movie greatly helped it. there was no meaningless scenes, it all adds to the experience. it is a masterpiece!!

Rey’s interactions with Luke are splendid, and it’s crazy how every step of the way, Episode VIII is unexplored territory that gets more and more INTERESTING. the Star Wars story is moving FORWARD, introducing more new characters, more new locations and circumstances. and this movie has the Rebels at their most desperate!!! Empires Strikes Back was like “ok, the Rebels lost this round, we’ll fight another day.” but in The Last Jedi, the Rebels were literally fighting for their faction’s continued EXISTENCE!!

Finn is awesome, and it’s very interesting how Episode VIII progresses in ways never expected! it’s like watching Episode V for the first time, except totally more epic!!

Leia stole the show with that Force surprise, that is super emotional, super amazing, and still within acceptable Force power possibilities, especially being the daughter of Anakin and twin of Luke, it’s a welcome highlight for the princess!!!

Rose Tico is underrated. and I’m glad she like her sister are of an asian race (I think vietnamese?),
which all numbered Star Wars movies greatly lack an asian character that is in the center of the adventure among the key characters, and they become a key character as well to the new generation of Star Wars heroes!! more diversity makes stories much greater and more people worldwide can relate to the characters.
and I like how she’s an maintanence worker, doesn’t excel in combat, yet still is essential to the story. She even saves Finn’s life!!!

Phasma is still 200% better in this movie than in Episode VII. if that’s the last of her, she still left her mark and wouldn’t have
been caught off guard if it wasn’t Rose keeping her occupied, she sure didn’t want to get shot in the back while confirming Finn’s status. Phasma >>>>>>>>> Boba Fett. The way she went out, was better than how Boba Fett was defeated by Han.
and I glad we got to see at least her eye, which is a lot more than Boba got in the movies. even Jango’s appearance was fully revealed in Episode II, he wasnt just a faceless character.

I can already tell Amilyn Holdo is one of the most misunderstood, underrated and unsung heroes in the entire Stars Wars history of characters. She was the one character I had to keep guessing whether she was good or evil, whether she was a traitor or a mole,
whether she was right or wrong. I felt what Poe tried to do was right, but his strategy didn’t go according to plan.
This isn’t a gender contest. Amilyn was right to use lightspeed and the ship as a weapon, but WOW IT EXCEEDED ALL EXPECTATIONS AT THE DAMAGE IT DID to The First Order 0_0

“class 1.0 hyperdrive motivator could propel a ship through hyperspace over one hundred thousand times faster than light, allowing a ship to cross the galaxy in a matter of days.”

Most ultimate, heroic, and bravest Star Wars attack EVERRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!! that event alone obliterates every space battle in the history of Star Wars!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOW that completely redeemed Amilyn Holdo as a character and Rebel hero.
too bad the sexist side of the fanbase is occupied with stupid complaints about "ohhhh why da purple haired woman gotta be right and do something cool like dat? why can’t my boi Poe do dat? the Poe fanservice at the beginning of the movie wasn’t enough."
stupid sexist idiots.

Amilyn Holdo is a war hero and she deserves 200% respect for what she did. Poe is a hero too, but Amilyn also fought for what she believed in. and Episode 8 was genius how it teased her alignment, even saying vague things like “Rebels”, like a First Order officer would, yet afterwardds that line is seen in a different light. She is one of the greatest characters in the Star Wars legacy, and deserves praise for strong and meaningful character. at the sametime, she’s not perfect, there is good reasoning to doubt her decisions and point of view, and it makes sense she would hide her plan from the others. She is the most multidimensional Star Wars character that doesn’t recycle the “obvious undeniably good character” or “traitor” cliches.
Her decisions, like Poe’s also places lives at risk. and like Poe’s decision in the beginning was right, Amilyn’s decision using the ship as a lightspeed weapon after having the others evacuate, is the right decision too.

the slicer is great for several reasons, the actor is a mix of french canadian, distant german, italian, spanish even Dutch!
that is a rarity for a Star Wars character. race aside, the character itself further strengthens the theme that someone doesn’t need to be famous, doesn’t need class, doesn’t need to be the GREATEST at what they do, and still matter and make a difference in the conflict.the character is also a turncoat, but that is in character with their criminal self preservation priorities.
it was a great twist how the slicer Rose and Finn were seeking didn’t turn out to be the one they recruit, instead, they got an unknown criminal to do the job, or at least, and helped them escape from the casino planet and get them onboard the ship, and their presence led to Phasma’s downfall, which is sweet revenge for Finn. So all their efforts were not in vain. even if Phasma somehow survives like how Boba Fett was retconned, Finn still got a great hit in.

BB-8 is awesome!! R2-D2 would be proud!! So badass!!! ^.^

that was HILARIOUS when Poe was making fun of General Hux!!! Hux is such a hateable yet amusing villain.

Snoke really is better than people realize:

  1. Snoke is a force to be reckoned with through his screentime. did more than Palpatine in Episode V. Schooled Hux, Kylo AND Rey.
  2. the character matters. he was the supreme leader of The First Order, someone Kylo had no chance against on this own.
  3. Rey’s presence helped Kylo pull off the most insane attempt at assassinating his master, which in turn:
  4. elevates Kylo’s relevance in the story and solidifies Kylo as the main antagonist in the trilogy.

With Snokes demise, Kylo has surpassed Vader. Vader was Palpatine’s servant all the way through his senior years, whereas Kylo breaks his leash and slays his master in his prime, and with no handicaps.
while Vader was just barely bringing out a plan to Luke to overthrow Palpatine, Kylo already kills and overthrows his master and becomes the leader himself, in the prime of his youth.

the Kylo and Luke flashback and truth plot twist is OUTSTANDING!!! the fear and shock and everything is SO EPIC!!!

and so glad Rey’s parents turned out to be regular people, that elevates Rey’s character more, and the message that someone doesn’t need special parents, bloodlines, titles nor fame in order to become someone great and powerful.
I liked how Episode 8 teased they are Solo siblings, when they are not. People have to stop being in denial. Kylo wasn’t lying to Rey,
the revelation would hold no weight if they saved different origins for Episode IX. the entireity of Episode VIII persistently points out that lineage does not matter and the Skywalker line (nor any other known Jedi/Sith bloodline) is not needed to among the current most important Force users.

though I wonder if those red guards are the Knights of Ren, or they have yet to be assembled for modern day action.
Episode 8 confirms that the Knights of Ren are all former Jedi students of Luke. it is so awesome the weapons they wield, including
that chain whip, though it woulda been cooler if they were actually pure laser, but still, really cool and that whole Rey and Kylo co-op scene is ULTIMATE EPIC!! and those red guards weren’t pushovers. it required serious skill to overcome them, and Kylo needed Rey’s help to finish off the other one.

the last battle scene is great too. Finn was being reckless but nice that Rose saved him and love is developing between them.
They have more in common than Rey does to Finn.

and its so great how Luke goes out. it’s the cleanest, most brilliant way to do it. if fans still upset, then they have yet to grow up.
the suns, everything, a lot of Jedi would of liked to leave life so elegantly.

Yoda’s surprising entrance and new teachings are very EMOTIONAL!!! So EPIC!! really adds to the themes, and makes SW Episode VIII that much more impactful.

I also like how the development in Episode VIII’s story, turns from hopeless and some kind of desire to end the Jedi, to
replenished hope and the determination to have the Jedi live on. So the true Last Jedi is Rey, or you could say Luke is the Last Jedi of the Skywalker generation, and Rey is the Last remaining Jedi.

that final scene also hints the new trilogy can involve new gen rebels and Jedi even beyond the current trilogy.

also I feel with Rebels reduced to like, what a dozen or so survivors? Rey could help them become Jedi. Jedi Rebels are more powerful than regular Rebels. it would be so epic, if the Jedi Order and Rebels produce a new hybrid of Jedi Rebels.
a single Jedi is worth 100 Rebels in war. even Rey more than anyone has faith in restoring the Jedi, learning from its failures and achieve a greater balance and success. it would be so great if Rey increases the Jedi numbers, it would be worth the risk, and their true enemy is The First Order. the sith/dark side users can manipulate things, but with no army they can’t do much. crush the First Order, and the sith will scatter. crush the sith, and The First Order would still be a threat. of course the sith has to be dealt with, but the tide of the war really depends on the Rebels and The First Order military strength. destroy The First Order, and the sith cannot sway the Rebels and a new Republic’s hold on the galaxy without spending years trying to take it over from within.
even before that the Rebels winning the war could establish prosperity just like the Old Republic. and Rey’s Jedi Knights can be there to help ensure that evil stays in the shadows for as long as they can. :slight_smile:
Rey can then be seen as the mother of the new generation of Jedi Order!! So epic!!

I say Episode IX should timeskip a bit, and the first squadron of Jedi are introduced, and Kylo Ren could introduce his Knights of Ren.
it could lead to amazing clashes.

there’s a lot more to say about the movie, but hey, negativity is the trend, pessimistics, cynics and haters always see positive people as shills and crazies, when the real crazy and mentally challenged people are those critics that shit on a good thing.
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any backlash towards Star Wars Episode VIII proves:

  1. this generation is excessively negative, toxic, hypercritical, have bad judgement, nitpick things to the point they can’t enjoy anything anymore.
  2. Star Wars fans don’t know what they want, and what they want conflicts what other fans want anyways.
  3. those that didnt like it have no business being Star Wars fans if they truly can’t see nor respect Episode VIII’s strengths and breakthroughs

thankfully, Star Wars phenomenon can’t be derailed, so I think the general consensus as the trilogy moves forward, is that Episode VII and especially VIII are great Star Wars movies, and among the favorites of a lot of fans that appreciate it.

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If you left out that last bit, id say it would be the greatest post you ever made

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Enjoy!

Spoiler

https://youtu.be/Ddt0k3yU9Q8

3767

While I thought it was a solid entry, there are clearly some pacing issues that get in the way of it actually being legitimately great. Saying that it blows ESB out of the water is grossly overstating this movie’s contribution to the Star Wars universe.

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just saw it.

every single serious scene felt like it lacked gravity. too much joking around when things were supposed to be dramatic.

one important character (avoiding spoilers) ends up not being anything.

im sorry but this movie was bad. mark hamil didn’t want to be there, he was just getting paid. his acting was terrible.

I think phantom menace is legitimately a better movie, and that movie was not good.

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Finn’s little side mission story with his plucky little sidekick was a complete waste of time. What was the point of that? It had absolutely nothing to do with the main storyline.
Was it to show how people are being oppressed? That shit could have been cut down to a couple of minutes.

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Spoiler

It was so they could pick up the traitor that fucked up Holdo’s plan. You know, the plan that she refused to tell Poe, which led to Finn and Rose going on their fetch quest so they could pick up the traitor that fucked up Holdo’s plan. You know the plan that she refused to tell Poe which led to Finn and Rose going on their fetch quest so they could pick up the traitor that fucked up Holdo’s plan. You know, the plan that she refused to tell Poe, which led to Finn and Rose going on theeir fetch quesst siii theyeyyyeyeyye coulddddltraitiiitiriiror fuuuuckcfuckfuckfuckfucku Holdododod’s plpllplannananan.>>>… uuuoy wonk, eht nalp taht ehs desufer ot llet eoP, hcihw del ot nniF dna seoR gniog no rieht hctef os yeht dluoc kcip pu eht rotiart taht deckuf pu 'sodloHHoldo’s plllalalalalalaaaan…>>>>M<

Great film, truly masterful at subverting the audiences expecations. :tup:

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Everyone who thinks the Last Jedi was awful needs to stop making their own stupid head cannon explanations and let the damn movie tell its own story.

Also, Let go of the EU/legacy because that was never the films. Expanded Universe/Legacy didn’t dictate Star Wars before Disney got the rights, and it didn’t dictate the films now.

Last Jedi is actually topped Empire.

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i respect this movie for its willingness to give tumblr the middle finger for two hours

3773

You take that shit back right the fuck now. Things actually happened in that movie.

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No. You have to let the past stay in the past. Reject head cannon and open your eyes.

Spoiler

Do we need Master Yoda to miss you with a lighting bolt too?

3775

Nigga what are you talking about? Why is the only argument people have is muh headcanons or nostalgia? Movie was an enjoyable watch but it’s weak as fuck when you think about it. I get people are gonna say that letting go of the old shit and subverting common Star Wars tropes is the theme but when the entire movie is written around subverting shit like that and not written around telling a competent story your fucking movie is a joke, a farce, a fucking parody of itself! FUCK ALL happened in this movie, you say let it tell its story but there barely was one, it was just trope after trope popping up to get knocked down!

Spoiler

The moment that actually pissed me off was when Kylo tells Rey about her parents and says, “You’re nobody, you have no place in this story.” Holy shit, a professionally paid writer put that in a script. Could you be more on the fucking nose with this garbage.

And I already know the fucking response i’m gonna get, haha fucking star wars nerd you mad, that’s why it’s good and that is fucking baffling. Since when does a movie get a pass on being mediocre just because it pisses off a few of its fans? There’s no shame in enjoying this movie, shit I liked it while I was watching it but you can’t deny that it one of if not the most flawed movie all, and that’s fucking saying something because some of these SW movies are flawed as shit.

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Luke got his character shit all over.

No wonder Hamill was so checked out in all those interviews…

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?? they basically wrote his character based on rl hamill.

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“Train yourself to let go of everything you fear to lose.”

“Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.”

– Yoda

3779

Good meme, great argument. :tup:

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That’s the problem.

Spoiler

Luke would never have tried to murk a dude in his sleep then run and hide while said powerful and crazy dude went on a rampage under the tutelage of wasted potential, er, I mean Snoke