I don’t disagree with you on that.
However I was under the impression that if he wasn’t demoted for breaking the chain of command, he would have been in the loop. I’m not a military man. I have several family members and friends that are. There are certain things they don’t tell you when aren’t a high enough rank. Vice Admiral Holdo didn’t know Poe and the only impression she has of him, is him defying orders. He should been in the brig to be honest.
i hate this movie. at least up to the part im at right now.
was not expecting to see…
my childhood hero…milking a ugly space cow’s ugly ass tit. so thats where blue milk come’s from
I do feel like they should’ve at least explained why Holdo isn’t telling anyone about the reasoning behind the evac plan. The reason being that they were worried about a mole. It would’ve been an easy justification.
[details=Spoiler]Spaceship runs out of fuel, it slows down…
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I’m really surprised at all the high scores being given in this thread. Yikes.
So last night I went to the local gas station. A car pulled up that was making r2 d2 noises. Turned out the guy driving it built it. Has a droid top and is obnoxiously loud.
Also the guy happened to be an old boss of mine. I’ll post a short vid whenever YouTube decides to work for me. Still pretty neat for being a drive by alarm clock.
Yes!I fucking loved it! A lot has been discussed so far and I’m in general agreement with most of @dev and @T20thoughts incites. One thing that I particularly liked was
[details=Spoiler]Kylo being sealed as evil. I was worried they were going to try and make him come back to the light because of the emphasis placed on his internal conflict. I would have been so fucking pissed if he redeemed himself, and it looked like it was going that way until he reached out to Rey and asked her to join him to rule the galaxy (similar to the scene where Vader did the same with Padme on Mustafar).
I also thought Kylo killing Snokes was a great nod to Sidious killing Plagueis, and it sealed Kylo as the main protagonist. I’m interested to see how his character develops in the next film. [/details]
Fucking hell, I can’t stop talking about this movie lol.
[details=Spoiler] They really gave Leia the respect she deserves in this movies. Her aptitude for the Force was finally realised when she used it to make it back to the ship, and it was such a cheesy, awesome moment. It’s an incredible shame that Carrie Fisher passed away before the last movie and it made Luke’s words to her about nobody ever really being gone before he went out to face Kylo very poignant.
I really liked how the truth about Kylo destroying the temple was revealed. There were two sides to the story from Kylo’s and Luke’s perspective, and then the whole tragic truth, that it was simply the two of them being frightened of and misunderstanding each other, which I thought was a great portrayal of the conflict between light and dark.
I thought some of the humour was misplaced at times, but there were moments where I couldn’t help but laugh:
“You feel that? That’s the force!” WHACK
Luke milking those animals and drinking the milk, what the fuck lol? Plus the maids getting pissed off at Rey.
General Hux attempting to shoot Kylo when he’s down then immediately withdrawing when Kylo starts stirring.
Snoke being a cocky fuck for the short time he was allowed to.
I still can’t get over Luke’s final moments. It was better than anything I could’ve imagined myself personally. The movie gave him space to be the symbol he is and pay homage to him while not taking anything way from the rest of the cast before giving him a final farewell. In those last moments, he was the Jedi Master everyone needed him to be.
Finally, I really liked Rey in this film for some reason, I think her background and relationship with Luke and Kylo brought out more from her. Plus her display of power in the film was cool. In TFA, I wanted to know more about her and the film’s answers to that satisfied me. After I left the theatre with company, my feelings were, like I said in my previous post, was that the movie was trying so hard to be irreverent and self aware about the franchise and its fans that its story felt insincere and that it potentially squandered a grander, more “honest” tale. I still think that to some extent, but I really did appreciate the way it tackled the franchise and typical conventions like eschewing some of the typical heroics and individuals we’re using to seeing, on dealing with failure and fear and acknowledging the faults of the Jedi’s past and dogma. It gave me a good deal of things to chew on.[/details]
[details=Spoiler]You should’ve seen the look on my face when Snoke got killed lol. I’m really in two minds about this because I really wanted him to be this supremely powerful villain and wanted at least a bit of backstory, but also feel him being dispatched unceremoniously was hilarious because it completely dashed my expectations, and I grudgingly have to commend the film for that. They knew that people were expecting him to be some sort of Sidious figure and they made him a red herring to misdirect audiences. Also, they wanted to get him out of the away because had he survived, he would’ve taken away the focus from Kylo, the character they truly want to focus on.
I respect what they did with Kylo personally. Kylo is evil and he’s trying extremely hard to rid himself of everything that gives him conflict and pain. But he’s also incredibly fearful and wounded. Han apparently neglected him, Luke saw terrible darkness in him and for a second, instinctually raised his lightsaber against him. In Kylo’s mind, everyone thinks the worst of him, even his own uncle, so why not live up to their expectations and be the monster everyone thinks he is?
Him connecting with and teaming up with Rey to the fight the other Knights of Ren (that was a pretty sick fight) was to show what could’ve been, how much they could accomplish if they worked together, but it wasn’t meant to be because for every step Kylo takes, he takes 10 steps back. Rey closing the door on Kylo when he tried to connect to her was meant to show that even though we may sympathise with him, ultimately, he’s still the bad guy and he’s made his choice. Though based on the messages of the film, the movie doesn’t want to set up Kylo as someone to be dispatched without remorse like Snoke.
As for the force, my brother’s friend theorised that the force awakening didn’t just apply to Rey and Kylo, and that was what the kid forcing grabbing the broom was meant to symbolise at the end. The Resistance and Luke’s last stand at Crait inspired hope in a new generation and as long as that hope exists, the Jedi will never die and the Force will communicate with and manifest in those who want to do right, like it did with Rey. This movie wants to place even more on an emphasis on communication with the Force, rather than mechanical training and inheritance, as Luke words indicated.[/details]
I agree with this, he should’ve reprimanded a great deal more than he was, considering the lives he cost during the opening battle, but Leia has a soft spot for him (Holdo eventually grows a liking to him as well).
A bit of context to my watching experience: I went to see this with my older brother and his friends, and it was my first time watching a Star Wars entry at the cinema (Greenwich Theatre in England). I’ve only seen the previous entries on TV and other channels at home, and naturally, there was a lot of hype. You had kids wielding sabres and wearing Storm Trooper helmets and a whole group of cosplayers taking pictures with other people before the movie started. The staff were handing out promotional posters of Rey and Kylo. The Rey one was her almost completely silhouetted with a cool back turned pose with the blue sabre, stones levitating around her feet with the backdrop of the island, waves and the Resistance emblem. The Kylo poster was him similarly silhouetted, red sabre in hand with a cold grey room full of shadows and the emblem of the First Order as the backdrop. They were really cool posters. Almost everyone, including my brother and his friends, picked Kylo. Didn’t matter what gender or age they were. I only saw two people that picked Rey, one guy and me lol.
Real talk, this movie has me emotionally distressed. The parts I like about it I really fucking liked, but the rest of it was just there. Like half this movie is such a waste of time. It’s like if I was a professor and a kid turned in half a homework assignment and the parts that he actually finished were godlike but the rest was just kinds there.
I think most people get that, it’s just that this is a badly written movie. Like if you take off all the Star Wars veneer and look at it objectively it’s just fucking stupid… It took me 3 days to finally succumb to admitting that I didn’t like it because I wanted it to be good but holy shit there’s so much in this movie that’s hella disappointing. The most damning part to me is…
[details=Spoiler]Like 40% of this movie would have been avoided if Holdo had just talked with Poe. Her evac plan fails because Finn and Rose bring back a traitor. So Finn and Roses entire segment of the movie is rendered pointless when Holdo tells her plan and everyone goes “oh yea that could work.” And I know people will say “That’s the point, it’s all about the heroes fucking up.” but that shit carries no weight, it just feels fucking contrived.
Aside from that the fucking suspension of disbelief necessary to watch this thing is absurd. Why the fuck didn’t Snoke just send the other Star Destroyers around to cut them off? Hats off to Holdo hyperspeed crashing into the Supremacy. Well shit if it’s that easy and damaging why isn’t hyperspeed weaponry the norm??
Also, Phasma and Snoke are such wasted characters holy shit. [/details]
My beef with this movie isn’t that it fucks with Star Wars canon and I’m not being a crybaby about the fucking with a series I love. It’s just a badly written movie straight up, the fucking plot of it is so disjointed and dumb.
I am surprised the music of the series isn’t brought up as much. I liked this score better than TFA, but it pales in comparison to anything the prequels offered.
Ok, SNOKE, man…
yep
[details=Spoiler]…goddammit this is such bullshit. I was looking forward to him being a big deal in this trilogy…even when he got killed, I was thinking --"yeah ok… just watch, he’ll come back to put Kylo’s bitchass in his place…possibly even kill the bastard for having the audacity to actually go through with a betrayal…something like “FOOLISH BOY… did you really think that would kill me?”…so he gets sliced and that’s just it?! BRUH are you kidding me with this? He could’ve been an awesome, interesting new villain and gets cut down so easily.
…and it also makes no sense anyway, if he can supposedly read your thoughts and feelings. This also highlights a problem with villains who have such a power anyway—any time they are betrayed by someone, or caught by surprise at all…it just stands out as some bullshit because as per the rules…the guy should’ve seen that coming.
*of course this could be redeemed if certain things happen in Episode 9…like if Snoke comes back in evil spirit form or whatever, or it turns out he gets reconstructed with some machinery, or comes back via an ability to just take possession of a new body…and returns to tell Kylo and the audience that what happened there was the final test…to see if Kylo would have the balls to embrace his hatred and go through with it.[/details]
Whatever, I still had some reasonable enjoyment of this, despite the huge downer I just mentioned. Also good…at least Captain Phasma actually did something this time. I think this is also the first time we’ve ever seen Crimson Guards actually fighting. (characters that are sadly just background status…in the lore they’re supposedly super-elite soldiers… this could be the natural assumption anyway of people that are selected as the guards of VIPs like Snoke and Palpatine.
*sidenote–yeah, if I was in the Star Wars universe, I’m still siding with the Empire, or The First Order now. sheeeeit, it’s called “looking out for #1” …going with the side that has the best chance of continued existence…(let’s see… a relatively small band of rebels…or a galactic empire with incredible, planet-busting level weaponry and seemingly infinite resources? Not exactly a tough choice there) . either that or make a nice living for myself on that planet with other rich weapons dealers, living up with all the drinks, fine ass alien bitches and casino good times.
Outside of a lack of info on [details=Spoiler] Snoke, I was glad he was killed off. It gave the opportunity to make Kylo his own man as a villain. He isn’t some one-note “muwahahaha!!!” ham-fisted evil tyrant. They gave him a layer of complexity in terms of evil, he still wants to take the universe but feels regret about killing his father and attempting to sacrifice his mother in exchange for that power. He stopped chasing after Vader’s legacy and Snoke’s ambitions to become something else. Snoke was too much like Darth Sidious, he’s a powerful devil-like character trying to pull everyone’s strings and have control over an empire in a repeated fashion. Incredible sith/force powers? Check. Scary, grotesque evil face? Check. A villainous british voice that brags about how futile it is to oppose him? Double check. Snoke was a me-too that I was glad to see removed from the SW equation. TFA relied on the past movies to influence the present one (I was fine with that btw), this movie was more about moving on from them. Giving our new characters the chance to grow and deviate from the ones that came before them.
While change and failure were important, so was morality. The SW movies have never quite focused on the gray areas, this movie did that notably more than any film before it. Kylo Ren, the war mongers, Luke, the temporary split between the resistance, and Del Toro’s DJ played up that area several times. There’s still room to do a little more, but it definitely gave the franchise’s next main films something interesting to work with.[/details]
After the utter disappointment that was TFA, I decided to just go ahead and The Movie Spoiler this one.
I am glad that I did.
Barring one or two scenes, it sounds like something out of one of Sy-Fy’s lesser early 2000s T.V. series.
I’m glad I waited.
I’ll eventually get it on DVD.
Probably next Thanksgiving, during a Cyber Monday deep sale.
[details=Spoiler] Jesus, fucking BB ex machina. As much as I like him, there’s no fucking way that little guy should have been able to do half the shit he did.
And yeah, Snoke and Phasma were completely wasted. I guess I could get on board with Snoke biting it the way he did, though there are so many damn questions about where the hell he came from, but Phasma going out that fast was a crime.
I thought it was a good movie overall, but there’s parts that just don’t really sit right with me. Like, I don’t mind the jokes in the movie, but when they go out of their way to call back to the original trilogy (rebel scum),
it seems a bit forced.
And what the hell were with the crystal foxes just chilling with the rebels?
For some reason Snoke’s throne room just made me think the whole thing was on a stage, like it was a play at the Met.[/details]
Ehh, overall just minor nitpicks, 8/10 for me.
Wow, 3 years gone and it took BB fucking 8 for me to post again…
am i crazy or did i hear a india jones nod during the casino scene?
had this argument on fb today. one friend views that whole scenerio as a plot hole. im just like howwwww he got demoted, they cant trust his ass with the plan, he kept arguing that if they told him they would have midigated the mutiny.
This movie was the polar opposite of TFA
Just saw the last Jedi and it really pissed me off. The movie shat the bed hardcore, with it’s shitty writing and disappointing conclusions to stuff hyped up in TFA. Spoiler post here:
[details=Spoiler]1) Rey’s identity and her parents was built up in TFA to be some grand mystery that was SUPPOSED to have a PAYOFF. Nope. They retconned that into oblivion. She’s just a child from some bum junkers that abandoned her. As for all those ominous visions she was having that hinted at her connection to the skywalkers? Nope. All bullshit, according to TLJ.
I have lost all respect for the character of Rey. In the past there was her mysterious past as explanation for why she is so awesome at everything. Nope! Now that her “origin” is out, she’s nothing but a goddamn Mary Sue, artificially powered-up by the script to do whatever they want.
Luke’s ending. Yeesh. They ruined the hero’s journey. I don’t know where to begin with this one.
Movie was TOO damned long! The casino stuff could have been cut entirely, that was useless. Around the 2 hour mark i noticed the kid’s in the theater getting visibly restless too.
Supreme Leader Snoke…this fucking character they were hyping up in TFA, was nothing more than a goddamn placeholder for Ben to assume leadership of the first order. WTF. Lazy shit writing.
Bonus: Luke milking that creature and then taking a drink, and the look he had afterwards when he wiped his mouth. Like he was thinking, “That’s some GOOD shit!”. Scene was awkward as hell.[/details]
I can see some of this however