Star Wars

General Discussion
3681

[details=Spoiler] ok so I feel like this movie had some interesting themes and overall I liked it but there was still a lot of shit going on that tested my patience

  1. Finn, Rose, and to some degree Poe’s role in the movie was basically pointless. Their whole subplot could have easily been avoided if the purple haired commander had just told Poe what the plan was, and ultimately besides the opening scene nothing they did mattered to the plot in any way besides the codebreaker selling out the fact that the rebels were fleeing their ship, which was already difficult to believe the FO didn’t notice in the first place.
  2. The purple haired commander using the ship as a lightspeed missile, while extremely cool, begs the question:
    why doesnt everyone just use lightspeed missiles to solve their problems?? Even very small ships like the one Finn and Rose left on are capable of going that fast, so why not make small and large lightspeed missiles? All you would need is the apparently abundant lightspeed fuel and a remote control system. at the very least, theres no reason for the decked out FO not to have this, and showing that lightspeed can be used in this way makes everyone in the series retroactively look like a goddamn idiot.
  3. why didnt snoke’s ship with the tracker just stay tailing the rebels and order the other star destroyers to lightspeed warp in front of them? the entire plot point of waiting for them to run out of fuel felt contrived.

I thought the main kylo/rey/luke plot was actually really good and I liked all the things that happened with those characters, but everything involving the rebels in space felt like it came from a different, much worse movie. [/details]

3682

No idea why people keep looking at audience score on RT
you can vote before the movie even releases
There’s no proof of viewing required to vote
One person can vote multiple times

I liked it but I agree with some that it dragged on some parts a bit more than it should have

3683

Those are very good points but is ultimately why the movie is a 9 out of 10 as opposed to a 10 out of 10. Those points listed are the movie’s greatest imperfections. But if you go look around the Internet people be giving the movie 1 out of 10s for those exact same reasons. Star wars fans are looking like a bunch of little pussies right now.

3684

My only real gripe with the movie is that when you think about it, [details=Spoiler] nothing was really accomplished a part from Snoke dying [details=Spoiler]

3685

My biggest gripe with the movie is…

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If Poe follows orders. The Rebels would have escaped The First Order with minimal casualties. He cost them their entire bombing squadron going against Leia’s orders to break off the attack on the Dreadnought. He sends Rose and Finn off on a mission to find the code breaker. A character that ultimately sells out the Rebels and exposes their escape plan. Poe did more damage to the Rebels than anyone from the First Order.

3686

Yeah, I enjoyed Rogue One.

[details=Spoiler]IMO the big problem with this movie is that so many plot threads feel pointless and have no real impact on the story except for the ones involving Rey/Luke. The movie meanders until the third act. (and yes, it’s a hell of a third act but the buildup is quite poor)

That final scene with Luke was however one of the most touching moments of all 8 films. Amazing callback to the twin suns scene in Episode 4 as well. Beyond that, I was left wanting more.[/details]

3687

I wanted to love this movie, but I had the same problems with it as you guys. Those aspects of the movie hurt the pacing of the film. If they had only changed that one subplot, the entire movie would have been significantly better.

3688

This fucking movie sucked holy shit. What a nothing m9vie shit felt like filler. Combine that with the most out of character Luke Skywalker imaginable and this movie can fuck right off. Haven’t been this disappointed since the prequel days.

Can someone honestly tell me what was accomplished in this movie???

3689

The fans in theater ruined it for me, they could show Luke Skywalker taking a shit and people would cheer and go crazy.

3690

Remember what Yoda said about fear leads to anger leads to the dark side. Rey displayed all of those emotions that lead to the dark side like in Episode II. Will Episode IX be the last part in the series forever or will we see Episodes X, XI, and XII to make it a 4 part trilogy…

3691

NIGGAS are salty right now lol

3692
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To be fair to Poe, he did ask the acting commander if she had a plan and she chose to tell him nothing. What was the harm in letting the crew know you were going to use the carrier as a decoy for the transport ships? Poor communication is what fucked them.

3693

Yo that scene where…

[spoiler=]Luke Skywalker drinks milk from that tit monster, my friends gf who’s an avid SF player says, “mmm, cambodian breastmilk”, i fucking died lol[/spoiler]

3694

I watched this movie yesterday, been ruminating on it and I still really haven’t gotten my opinions about it in order, so I’m just gonna vomit out a lot of shit lol. Here goes anyway…

[details=Spoiler]I’ve not really been the biggest Star Wars fan, but for some reason, this is one movie I absolutely NEEDED to see, and I haven’t felt this way about a movie in years. TFA set up the questions and after I saw the trailers for TLJ, the theories/fantasies in my head about what I thought the movie would be about were running wild lol. Especially concerning Snoke and Rey. I was dying for answers.

Everything about those two was Snoke and mirrors (what a comedian I am). Rey’s potential with the Force (several displays of power and her willingness to embrace the Dark Side frightening Luke) and lineage was being given a huge air of mystery, but it was misdirection. She was simply an abandoned kid, and her parents died in a poor grave somewhere. She didn’t have some special lineage, she came from nothing, and in Kylo’s mind, she had no place in the story. Her strength is her own and she’s simply very receptive to the force. To be fair, in hindsight, all the signs were there. Maz telling her that her parents weren’t coming back, that Rey knew this but was in denial, and that she needed to move on. When she went looking for answers in the hole, her parents were shadows in the mirror and the only thing that was clear was her. Plus a whole bunch of other things (the story emphasised moving on from the past over and over). I really liked that actually. As Luke said, the Force doesn’t belong to anyone, and no particular lineage should have claim/a monopoly over it.

Then we’ve got Snoke. He was being bigged up as the new bad, someone extremely powerful. He was clowning Rey (her trying to call back the saber and him force snatching it away and clocking her on the back of the head with it boomerang style was fucking jokes), bullying Kylo, and giving it all that. Then Kylo kills him. No fanfare whatsoever. No information about who he was. On one hand, I was pretty much thinking “what was the fucking point?” but on the other, I had to kind of give it to the film for fooling me into thinking he was going to be a huge deal.

Poe was being a fucking idiot in this movie. I get that the First Order’s been kicking their arses, he’s anxious to do some damage, Holdo wasn’t inspiring any confidence, blowing him off and not telling him about the transport plans. But the opening battle where he gets a whole bunch of people killed just because he wanted to go after the Dreadnaught (it was cool though) soured me on him. The plan to go behind Holdo’s back to stop the FO from tracking them also got the transporters attacked, but that was really unfortunate and JD’s a sellout.

I’ve got to be honest, I really didn’t care much about Finn’s and Rose’s mission and I was wishing I had a fastforward button to get back to Rey and her training with Luke. Which is a shame because I really liked Rose as a character and her words to Finn about prioritising saving the people you love vs fighting those you hate, especially in light of Holdo’s sacrifice. Speaking of Holdo, man, I’m glad she didn’t turn out to be a spy or something and gave one of the best sacrifices I’ve seen in ages. She went out like a champion. But honestly, IMO, the best part of the entire film was Luke. Everything about him was amazing (him brushing his shoulder after the barrage had me dying) and he had a great send off. Overall, I enjoyed the movie.

I appreciated some of the subversions and dismantling of expectations that it did, but I think the movie was more interested in trying to be meta, analytical and self-aware about the franchise and its fans above everything else. They wanted to free themselves of some of the baggage of the franchise while still paying homage to it, but it was attached to a plot I didn’t care too much about that went on for 2 and a half hours. But despite of all that, I enjoyed the movie. BTW, I didn’t notice that Rey had actually taken the Jedi texts until informed later! Yoda wasn’t just waxing metaphorical about Rey already possessing the knowledge she needs from the books, he was literally telling Luke she physically had them. Cheeky fucker.

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Fucking hell, that was too long for anybody to give a shit about, and I hadn’t even finished everything I wanted to say about the film either lol. But I’m tired, I’ll finish up after some sleep.

Edited for spelling.

3695

I guess I can understand some of the criticisms, but the movie was easily 9/10 for me. Easily better than the most recent trilogy and The Force Awakens imo.

3696
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Blew up all J.J. Abrams mystery boxes

It deserves credit for that feat alone.

Part of me wonders that looking back after Episode IX release, will the fanbase think that it was worth it.

Lucas is a terrible director, but was a visionary. TFA now feels like a prologue to TLJ. Will what’s left for the next movie be enough of a story for this part of the anthology to be considered as noteworthy? I don’t think it will be.

3697

Just got back from seeing it.

[details=Spoiler]Remember when people had to be trained in The Force before they could use it? Now it’s like mutant powers in the X-Men, you just discover them.

Snoke got killed way too soon. He was the villain these movies needed. I don’t see Kylo Ren carrying the series by himself. I actually think The Last Order would be better off if Kylo fucked off and left Nazi-guy to rule. Nazi-guy is an actual leader with military schooling. Kylo is just a strong guy who can toss him around and make him look like a fool, but Nazi-guy is the one who can do Nazi-things.

Disney sure is betting a lot on their ability to make me care about this new generation. They’re killing off all the OGs(though wedging in an asspull to avoid the only death that was expected and tolerated) when I only kinda care about Finn, Po and Rey. I really didn’t care about Rose. She did nothing for the movie IMO but we all know why she was there.

I liked the action, the kamikaze and the scene where Rey “reached out”. Everything else was me waiting for something better than what I got. It felt like this movie was phoned in. How many times are we going to see the Millennium Falcon do a canyon run? I left the theater unfulfilled. This is the most meh Star Wars so far.

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3698
Spoiler

I think that was the point. It was a subtle deconstruction of the impulsive, hot headed rogue type character we see a lot of in Star Wars.

3699

oh yeaaaaa. how about this:

Spoiler

niggas c’mon now. i been told yall i forgot to buy movie tickets pages ago. what were you expecting but a click bait?

3700

One thing I believe that some people aren’t getting is that The Last Jedi is about…

[details=Spoiler]…failure. Specifically, people doing very “Star Wars-y” things and then failing. Poe and Finn failing at doing the hotshot, Star Wars protagonist thing, the failure of the Jedi Order, Luke’s failure rebuild the Order, etc.

And it’s using this to do what Empire did - shake up our perceptions of what Star Wars is, except that it’s trying to do so for a whole franchise, while Empire did so for only 1 film.
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