ST / VF Nights at Julien's: Fri Dec 4th, 8pm

Regional Matchmaking Northwest
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Thanks everyone for coming, it was a lot of fun. I’m really liking deejay, but why the hell doesn’t his sobat kick always combo with itself. It seems so unreliable. After crossup forward, low jab x 2, stand strong, the RH sobat sometimes combos and sometimes doesn’t. I can’t figure it out.

Hawk is getting more reliable. I felt like I was getting the safe jump->release spd something like 3/5 times, which is nice. Next improvement is to be able to dp consistently on both sides (it’s just sad that I still can’t do this), and maybe go for learning the button release 720?

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I like fighting O. Sagat, so drop the all this silly Spaniard business ASAP!

Again, thanks for having us Mr. Beastley.

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Forgot to post last night. Team tournament results as follows:

1st Team Insert Default Name Here (dann, zass)
2nd Team We are the World aka Team Chavo/E-du-war-do (Pablo, Deezo)
Nth Team ??? (DoughBoy, JTM)

Players listed in the order they played, not in order of importance. I honestly don’t remember what name Josh and I used. Perhaps zass could fill in the blank.

Biggest Highlight: Dan slaughtering myself and Josh on the first run through

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I regret not naming the team, “Team Maximum” because Pablo was gettin at people hardbody.

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Seriously, what was the name that JTM and I used? I really don’t remember. The flash induced seizures caused by MSH and CotA made last night a blur.

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I was thinking we should have been called “Team Black and Brown Connection”. Thing is I am not that brown and Mandel is not that black, but racialization is always fun.

Team Maximum sounds pretty serious and would imply that our skills have reached all possible limits and are maxed out.

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I’ll bring the heat next time fellas, I just started playing Dhalsim and it was hella bad. Especially on ball sticks where I kept doing his cr.short instead of the short slide. I like the sticks on that cab though, I just gotta get used to them. When my execution is off I just get frustrated and random. I’m seriously considering getting a Sanwa stick right now. I wish I actually tried to play ST more seriously back in the day, instead of just playing with Ryu and Ken back in the day and tossing fireballs the whole match.

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Ok I’m back from my nice long weekend, and I’m up for another one of these. I could swing saturday, or even do one during a weeknight this week too if people are interested. So please answer the following:

  1. Are you interested in an ST gathering Saturday
  2. If so, are you also interested in a gathering at 8pm on one of the following days (Tues, Wed, Thurs). If so, which day?

I’m thinking the weekday one could be the “hardcore” practice we’ve been talking about. Practice stuff like counterthrowing, or specific “asshole” matchups.

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You’ve piqued my interest.

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What time Saturday? The earlier the better, but I can show up later as well.

As for during the week, Tuesday or Wednesday please!!! I need to fight more claws.

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1.) Yes
2.) Yes, I’m free any day except Tuesday

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  1. This is largely contingent on Preppy’s plans. If Zach’s holding a gaming night this Friday, I would be burnt out for a Saturday gathering. Two straight days devoted to gaming is probably too much for the likes of me. Shit is serious, but not that serious. But don’t let my lack of participation stop the hardcore gamers from having their fun.

  2. Any night but Tuesday would work for me. So long as Julian attends since I would like to get my arcade stick from him.

zass, what are Claw’s bad match-ups? And is there any single character that dominates all characters who happen to rape claw for free? I read NKI’s ST wiki, and Ryu seems like he’s really fun to play. But I’m far more tempted to pick up another of the “cheap” characters like O. Sagat or Tick-Li. My decision would be strongly influenced by whomever can give me preferential meta-game options.

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Ryu flows, like water.

Regardless, I need the practice and will show up to either gathering.

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But you play Mexi-Ryu. He should flow like horchata, or tequila.

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I stand corrected, I flow like water, that is hot like fire. Get on my level.

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oh, I didn’t realize zach was doing something friday. I also don’t want to do 2 in a row like that…

for your claw question, I’ll answer it when I get home

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According to t-akiba, he has no bad (worse than 4 out of 10) matchups.
http://games.t-akiba.net/sf2/diagramb.html

T-Akiba says that his only matchup that’s less than 5/10 is Boxer at 4/10. He’s even with Dictator, DeeJay, and Honda at 5/10 (http://games.t-akiba.net/sf2/diagrama.html)

Now in my personal opinion, I think Honda, Boxer, O. Sagat, Dhalsim and Dictator are all bad matchups. I would also call an excellent Chun Li a bad matchup too, but anything less than excellent is an easy win (In other words, a chun that is merely “good” is very easy to beat).

The closest to this definition is Boxer, as he beats Claw and beats a lot of others. Dictator to a lesser extent, as he beats Claw (in my opinion at least), but he doesn’t dominate quite as many others.
The other way to look at it would be O Sagat or Sim. Both of them lose slightly to Claw, but it’s a winnable matchup, and they have the most all around power.

O Sagat and Claw might be “cheap”, if “cheap” means “effective without knowing a ton about the character”. But Chun Li is far, far from that. It’s very easy to play a mediocre Chun Li, but you will be constantly losing to good Ryus, Sagats, Kens, Boxers, Claws, Guiles, etc… it’s very hard to be a great chun, imho. I’m certainly not one. I don’t think I could beat a strong Ryu with her.

My suggestion is to pick a character that takes on Claw’s bad matchups. You want someone that can beat Honda, for example. You don’t need an all around powerhouse (although it’s certainly ok) for your second, you just need someone that can fill the holes in the matchups. Take a look at Akiba’s chart and start there.

Julien

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See, now I’m confused.

I’ve always thought Dhalsim was a bad matchup for Claw too, but T.Akiba has it listed as the other way around.

Keith asked me last gathering “What does Claw do against Dhalsim?” and I told him “loses”, because I’ve always thought it was a terrible matchup for Claw :confused:

What’s the deal?

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Um, anyone have a list of ST character names and their equivalent in Hiragana/Katakana? I recognize Chun-Li and Honda simply because I can read some Mandarin. But the rest are a mystery to me.

But as far as those two go, I though anyone with a fireball owned Honda. How come the match-up is not more of a landslide in that chart?

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I’ve been meaning to translate that chart, but now that someone requested it I’ll do it right now.

Give me a few minutes!