Against blanka, the only workable option i find with akuma might be a safe palm or a x-up j.lk, it has to be well timed though. sometimes it will reset ex up ball or it will whiff entirely, safe jumps work too to bait ex up balls and you can punish those with sweep. Blanka online is pretty fucking stupid though, many of them will mash electricity during your blockstrings and you will eat it if you drop a combo. With lots of lag you will also not be able to block rolls on reaction, so yeah, online is retarded.
Not for nothing but top Abels have learned to “pseudo zone” Gief. I honestly believe Gief’s biggest advantage (other than damage off a KD) on Abel in sf4 was matchup knowledge. Something happened in Super because Juicebox, Shiro, Ryder and even toward the end of sf4 Rico…just was not seeing them “Struggle” vs Gief. Lose maybe, but struggle? Nah.
And to say Abel has no answer for Gief up close? Gief has to guess just like everybody else on the roster. To TT or not to TT… just that backdash U1 will hurt
Well I’ll be a bit clearer and ask how this data is compiled? because aside from a small band of decent Fei players, there’s just not enough people out there good enough to start turning 5-5 matches into 6-5’s. The Fei board is pretty much in agreement that he is one of the most balanced characters in the game, but all those 6-5’s? man, has anyone ever had that many?
With his his standing jab buff in AE, I’d imagine now that all Fei has to do to win is shout like Bruce Lee…
Because we use a scale of 1-11.
cough
Anyway. I do agree that Fei feels like one of the most, if not the most balanced character in the game. I main Dudley and I started subbing Fei recently. Even with the most rudimentary use of Fei Long, matches seem more “controllable.” Honestly, I think the only thing Fei is lacking is a GOOD anti-air normal. Well, his hit-confirm BnBs don’t do much damage, but they are easy to do and really give you momentum.
I also think he has one of the best supers in the game - and a shit ton of easy ways to land it. Another thing that makes Fei scary is that he doesn’t need to expend meter to stay in control or land big damage, which gives him that sexy super to work with. There’s also that cl.mp of his. Goddamn. On “big” characters, landing that one single, utterly safe, utterly hit-confirmable move can lead to a 400+ damage combo with NO METER. And, while both of his ultras do suck, he has what I think is the best Focus Attack in the game to land U1 with. Oh, and don’t forget his sick pokes.
And this is coming from someone who has been barely using him for a couple of weeks. I’m sure there are a whole mess of things that I haven’t stumbled upon with Fei, and my matchup knowledge with him is well… I don’t have any. I just play with rudimentary but fundamental tactics with him and I do quite well for myself. Fei in the hands of someone who uses him for all he’s worth is DEFINITELY top tier in this game.
I’m almost tempted to main Fei, but I have an emotional attachment to Dudley and I like the way Dudley feels more (quiet your filthy minds, scoundrels.)
Did he lose S.Roundhouse in Super or something? In Vanilla that normal AA stuffed damn near everything.
I get stuffed a lot when I use it, but that’s probably on me, as I suck with Fei. I’m used to AA normals like Dudley’s s.mk.
^^ AA normals like duds st.mk and cody’s b+mp are insanely good AA’s. I shouldnt be talking though, Im kinda spoiled by using Juri. Her AA’s are pretty amazing too, and they cover pretty much every angle of jump in.
Yeah, st.HK is very good for a short jumpin, as well as cl.HP for high jumpins and cross-up ‘repeat offenders’ (jump in > block string > cross-up > block string > cross-up > block string > tick throw and so on).
Though using the :db::d::db: shortcut, HK Flamekick is really effective against most jumpins, where EX covers things like Dudley’s j.HK or Vega’s very steep j.HP for great damage too.
I’ll admit that Fei is very good, but you have to work for the damage, and it only comes bit by bit. Those big damage combos come from setups with Tenshin, punishing big whiffs, and making the most of opponents taking Fei’s defensive game too lightly like the examples above ^. But yeah, it’s been pretty much unanimous on the Fei boards that the matchups for him are out of whack about 1/4 of the time on the new list. Like Highland said, if Fei is joint top in Super, then they’d need to create a tier higher than S for him in AE.
I remember how Fei players were up in arms when I said he had an obvious advantage over Ryu (after Mago beat Daigo in the GG tourney). I wonder what they have to say now that even Mago says it’s 7:3 to Fei in Super. :lol:
well mago also says that fei loses to chun and honda.
http://beingascrub.wordpress.com/2011/01/04/don%E2%80%99t-be-a-scrub-podcast-episode-7-mago-2d-god/
and he has gone on record saying that fei also loses to rog and bison. basically every charge character except blanka.
dosent stop IPW form making them all 5-5 or 6-4 for fei
It’s pretty easy to see how Fei loses to Honda, Rog and Bison. Not sure about Chun (better footsies?) IPW is way off if they put those at 6:4 in Fei’s favour, or even 5:5.
well in the podcast, he said chun walks back faster than fei walks foward, so he can never catch up to her if she turttles. and if she shoots kikokens from a safe range, fei has to back off or do something that will make him take damage, so he never gets to really pressure her.
i always felt that chun was a bad match, but mago said its his worst. for the reord IPW lists rog as a losing match BTW
I’m in total agreement with that theory. Fact is, it’s not so much the characters but the style of play.
If you come up against a turtle bison, rog or chun, for lack of a better word, to quote Mrt cohens “Your fucked”. There is nothing you can do, your just hoping you catch general slackness, or a combo from a neutral jump.
the problem with the ipw tier list is that its only done by one or two char specialists. if they got more input from other known good players, the list would be much better
well, you are a “top player”, what is your take on the most recent IPW list?
i like it better than the earlier tier lists but low/mid tier isnt fleshed out well enough. notice how i didnt really have anything bad to say about the tier list besides the fact that theres not enough opinions involved. even less than last time 
i might disagree with some matchups here or there but really, who doesnt disagree on something in a tier list lol.
as for the chars i actually play, sim/seth/rose are for the most part pretty accurate. in my eyes tho sim/elf is 5-5 as is sim/vega. i also wouldnt say abel is 3-7 although its pretty fucking tough no doubt, its not as bad as say, cammy. i also think gief has slight advantage over sim like 5.5 or something but its just slight nitpicks nothing major.
This is commonly accepted. Ken’s upclose game is a lot better than Ryu’s. It puts Viper into trouble because of her bad def and bad footsies. On the other hand, Ryu can’t fully profit from his superior zoning, because Viper is fondamentally very difficult to zone. All chars which rely on good zoning have a hard time against Viper and the matchups are usually in her favor (Sim, Guile, Seth, Sagat).
thats kinda what i said about it. looks pretty accurate outside of the obligatory 6-4’s when its top vs low. i find it hard to believe that some of the low tiers dont at least draw even in some matches vs top
Change of heart on sim-abel?. You used to be mortens on streams about that MU. lol
And Gief > Sim? Curious.
Sort of truth but what qualifies a person as a top player? Like for Fuerte if we assume Kai is a top player then he would say everything is 3-7 because Fuerte is the worst in the game and hates SF4 series. Maybe Peru would be a good choice for top Fuerte but the point is that some characters don’t really have a “top player”. Not shitting on Fuerte because there are a few great Fuertes but none have gotten top 8 in a major except IIPeru in EVO online and (no offense to Peru/anyone involved in evo online) I don’t know if that should count because it’s online.
That said, I agree that there should be more people (character specialists) involved in the making of a tier list.