Has Gootecks ever actually thrown his stick? Link me youtube video plox.
hasn’t this already been said in this thread? We get it…haha funny. Trolls are everywhere. I wonder if the Japanese would insult their players if their top players decided to charge for lessons. The goal is the beat the japanese we can’t beat them if the better players aren’t at least willing to help everyone else.
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I’d pay marn $35 to eat the other 3. $40 if he eats himself afterwards.
I can’t see how this is any different from walking into any pro shop, pool hall, or bowling alley in the country, and asking the local “pro” for lessons. In any of these situations, these guys would charge you upwards of $100 and more for their time, and you probably wouldn’t even know their names. Instead, you have some of the best players in the country offering this service for LESS THAN HALF what you would expect in these sports. Every individual competitive event has this, from tennis to poker, and competitive fighting games shouldn’t be any different.
Still, online you can’t see people’s techniques to criticize what they are doing. I’ll go back to my pro lesson example. You can read all the internet forums in the world about bowling, but if someone is not there to tell you what you’re doing wrong in your form, you won’t get better.
Pretty sure they wouldn’t charge $35/hr for “lessons”. Help is the key word there, not profit. Just sayin…
because in you’ll still be playing those sports for the rest of your life (or as long as you stay interested in it) with friends, family, coworkers, bosses, etc.
otherwise, let me know when you’re 45 and you decide to take your boss out to your friends place to get down on some ssf4, because you’ll be the first. then when he comments on your fine fadc ability, you can gloat about how you got lessons from wong 20 years prior… then you can talk about that raise you always wanted.
I really don’t think this would be worth the money. Skills don’t translate as simple as telling you what to do.
There has to be real hard wiring in your brain and understanding and I don’t think you can get that by Justin sending you some messages over PSN lol
i’ll help u with tekken, message me for details. i’m one of the best in the world, believe it.
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No Gootecks has never thrown his stick. It is just something trolls like to say to discredit the man.
if these ‘lessons’ were free imagine the line of people who would want to play/train/learn from these guys. We live in a capitalist society where if you offer a service someone wants you can charge for it. If people don’t want to pay for the service then so be it. There is no harm or foul in wanting money nor using the skills you have to obtain it. I seriously don’t understand what the big deal is… lets all build a bridge.
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because we’re talking about a video game that doesn’t have people entering tournaments for $100k+. it’s a genre with a modest following at best and, hell, the game could stand to be more popular. besides, anyone who’s been in any fighting game at tournament level knows that one hour (over the internet no less; rts games can get away with it, street fighter not-so-much) isn’t going to be enough to learn anything all that incredible. otherwise, it’s nothing that reading about, playing with friends, not being afraid of testing, and competing in tournaments couldn’t remedy. that’s how those guys did it, and that’s how we all did it back in the day; i don’t see how paying someone to do the same thing qualifies as being worth-while.
on the point of making money: i’m not a genius, but i know a thing or two about business. personally, i love it and i’m down for people making money how they can; but this system sounds like something a few top players, with sponsors in-tow, decided to put together in a half-assed fashion. now, if there was a tournament that was like “who can beat the top players in the country?”, that i could see being worthwhile and i’d be pretty hyped about it. i see this is as almost an insult to the community as a whole.
I wasn’t aware that prize money mattered. Also the fact that its a video game doesn’t all too much matter either. Its what these guys do. Its what defines them. Its the reason that guys like us know about guys like them. This game may not mean much to you but, its everything right now for them. Why not ride the wave? My nephew loves riding his bike, figured he could make some money while doing what he loves to do…no he has a paper route for the neighborhood for the summer. Is it wrong?
Tell that to capcoms bottom line for the first half of the year. Tell that to EVO, tell the to the player that participate and go to tourneys and have fun. We don’t care about what people who are not a part of the scene think, this is for us. Those guys provide a service to those that want to get better. THEY DON’T HAVE TO SPEND THEIR MONEY IF THEY DON’T WANT TO.
wrong, there are a lot of things you can learn in an hour, and thats coming from a tourney player. A lot of people are one idea, one strategy, on thought away from putting it all together and being a better player. No amount of online experience can seriously duplicate having a talk with the best american player, having him tell you what your faults are, what you can do to fix it, tell you what he’s seeing, why he’s doing X, what you should be doing to counter…etc. Sometiimes thats all it takes to get over hump.
yeah, because my friends are better than J.Wong. These forums are not as informative as they used to be as they are spread full of negativity and trolling. Going to tourneys will just get you raped if you don’t have the confidence and capability… but true, its all part of the process.
Umm, you don’t have to pay for it if you don’t want it. Thats the beauty of it all, there is no gun to your head to tell you that you NEED to spend 40 buck on J.Wong. If you think its worth your money then you should do it…Thats it…it becomes worth while. Hell if you wanna go back in the day, then I’d be at an arcade (what is that) losing money for hours till I learned my character and the game. I’d lose money anyway…lol.
doesn’t seem like you love it, and you don’t seem like you’re down for pro players making money by pimping their skills
This is all opinion therefore doesn’t really need to be responded to as you are entitled to it…but you shouldnt see this as an insult to the community. I’m sure 1 man can build a house before 10 monkeys if you get what I’m saying. The community is chock full of players that range all thru the spectrum of ability. The top players are offering services to the other players in an attempt to line their pocket(no way around that…lol) and hopefully the by product will be the increase the overall skill of the community as a whole. why be insulted, if one person got better it was worth it. I don’t know about you but I’m tired of seeing Daigo win EVO. The more great players we have the more we stand a chance vs. the world at the next EVO. Its pretty obvious that the US is lacking. And I believe we’ll see just how much at EVO Japan when we see all the players that didn’t make it here for our EVO.
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Good discussion though. I’m not really personally for or against any of this, I’m just playing the devil advocate
Exactly tribal the ST community on GGPO’s best players help people out for free if asked.
I am not asking for charity work though and I am sure you will get helped from these lessons. One of the problems is online. The netcode is not nearly as good as on GGPO so that right there will lead to dropping combos and learning in laggy conditions. ST players can practice online and do well in tournaments due to good netcode but SSF4 this does not work as well due to practicing in really laggy conditions with input delay.
Your skill will go up and I have helped people for free plenty of times and their skill does go up due to teaching. The thing is there is only so much you can do in one hour. You need at least a few hours spread out. You can teach them one day and then they can practice what you taught. Then you need more. This may cost 100s of dollars over time. If you are rich then this may not be bad so you can spend your money however you want.
Why is there no offer for them to do these lessons offline also? There could be a lot more learned when not online.
Also will they use a headset? This will help a lot more than sending messages. No headset would make this a lot worse.
To sum this up you can learn although this is flawed because it is online in a game with bad netcode. Also you need to probably pay 100s of dollars over time to make this effective.
This thread though probably led to a lot of sales for JWong just because of how many people viewed it.
There is a huge difference between those sports/games and SF.
In alot of those cases, the pro is teaching you something physical like form. It’s not you can just look it up and figure it out on your own. SF is different in that alot of the info they can tell you are readily available.
Next, in alot of these sports the pro has to actually be there. It’s not like he can just roll out of bed and then BAM, he’s right with you. This is not so much the case when teaching someone over XBL.
Those sports are popular. There isn’t some need to grow the community or anything like that. Also, those sports aren’t going to change drastically. Super Golf Turbo isn’t going to be released within 5 years and alot of people will just abandon regular Golf.
Of course anyone can come to Shoryuken.com in order to find information about specific matchups and so on. Just like it’s possible to use the internet for other activities.
The way I see it, let them offer their services for money if they think that’s a viable option to make money. I’m sure there are people out there that at least consider paying for an edge in their gameplay, whether it’s for fun or for tournaments. They don’t hurt anybody by offering these tutorial sessions, and if their customers come away feeling they got their money’s worth, then it’s all good.
There are several other options to up your game, true, but there’s nothing wrong with have a “top” player evaluate your play and give advice on counters, combos and spacing to improve. Whether you feel Gootecks, Marn or Wong are good instructors is completely up to you, but I’m sure there are a lot of people on this forum that would benefit from their experience.
Is the price level too high? I am inclined to think so, but then again we will have to wait for someone to actually take a lesson and report on the results.
Couldn’t agree more. If you live in an area with limited (read:no) arcades and you’ve learned all you can from playing your same group of friends over and over, why not try to learn from someone else? I think an hour might not really be a lot of time but after the lesson you can run with that advice and work it into your game if you want. I don’t think it’s a bad idea at all.
The question is why pay for this? One assumption I think you can make is that people who will be paying for this are not the best players in their area. If they were willing to pay for this service, then they should just use that money for transportation, arcade/tourney fees so that they could get real experience with people that are better than them anyway.