Just the fact that so many people are dropping rufus, chun, and other bad matchups (and picking up the twins, who I think gen has a 5-5 to a 6-4 against) probably accounts for a lot of wins. The nerfs to other characters benefits Gen greatly.
5-5? Really? Yuck. I hate that match-up so much. Or I just suck against him.
While I can deal with Rufus or Cammy pressure, Yun is a new kind of monster whose dive seems to ruin all of my options. Guessing wrong on which way his ambiguous cross-up dive kick or judging the distance incorrectly for a successful AA poke means you eat a highly damaging combo that can send you farther into the corner or put you in the same situation. When he’s spamming me, the LP+LK+HK OS doesn’t seem to work and he’ll just hit me again if I try to backdash. With the constant blocking and shoulder/lunge punch combos, it only takes a few lucky guesses to get Gen into the corner, and man, do I hate Gen in the corner, especially when his EX Gekiro seems to always lose to any of Yun’s cross-up antics. The only real thing that seems to work out well for me in this matchup is doing jumping neutral attacks, like crane j.HK or j.MP on the way down, since it seems to beat out their up kicks, or just get lucky with Oga shenanigans.
Also, does palm beat oga? Like, if a Yun was hanging out fullscreen building meter, would a normal forward oga beat it or is that thing’s hitbox just too good?
Again, it could just be me, or the high caliber of the Yun’s I’ve played (Texas’ own Hsien Chang, Viet, Fubarduck, etc.)
Yun is designed to reek havoc up close, so I don’t think its necessarily a bad match for Gen, it’s bad for anybody at that point. Gen just has a lot of ways to deal with twins before they get in. S. Mp will destroy any close dives, and s. Hk will for any distant dives. Throwing out an lk gekiro when Yun jumps is pretty safe too. If he dives, you win. If he neutral jumps, you will land before he can hit you. Just run away from yun like he’s Zangief. Cause a Yun in is a Yun win!
Updated: 19/01/11
1: Daigo Umehara (Yun)/2544 matches, 2165 wins/winning Pct. 85.10 % /BP (56474)/GRAND MASTER
2: Mago (Fei Long)/1513 matches, 1269 wins/winning Pct. 83.87 % /BP (54657)/ULTIMATE MASTER
3: Nemo (Yang)/2089 matches, 1669 wins/winning Pct. 79.89 % /BP (42021)/MASTER
4: Tokido (Gouki/Akuma)/1533 matches, 1293 wins/winning Pct. 84.34 % /BP (40548)/MASTER
5: Wa75842 (Haitani) (Makoto)/865 matches, ¿? wins/winning Pct. ¿? %/(38644)/MASTER
6: Hachigashira San (Yun)/883 matches, 709 wins/winning Pct. 80.29 %/BP (38459)/MASTER
7: Uryo (Sakura)/783 matches, 706 wins/winning Pct. 90.17 % /BP (38114)/MASTER
8: Kindevu (Yun)/1158 matches, 979 wins/winning Pct. 84.54 % /BP (38091)/MASTER
9: Amiyu (Gen)/867 matches, 748 wins/winning Pct. 86.27 % /BP (38060)/MASTER
10: -R- (Balrog/Boxer)/966 matches, 827 wins/winning Pct. 85.61 % /BP (37847) /MASTER
11: Michael Tan (Ken)/908 matches, 810 wins/winning Pct. 89.21 % /BP (37294)/MASTER
12: Eriru (Yun)/921 matches, 770 wins/winning Pct. 83.60 % /BP (37235)/MASTER
13: Momochi (Makoto)/580 matches, 477 wins/winning Pct. 82.24 % /BP (37099)/MASTER
14: Akame Ryu (Ryu)/912 matches, 707 wins/winning Pct. 77.52 % /BP (36627)/MASTER
15: Shungoku Neurosis (M. Bison/Dictator), 1006 matches, 838 wins/winning Pct. 83.30 % /BP (36512)/MASTER
16: Aisusodo wo Motsu Otoko (Yun)/¿? matches, ¿? wins/winning Pct. ¿? % /BP (36484)/MASTER
17: Furansujin (Cody)/848 matches, 729 wins/winning Pct. 85.97 % /BP (36239)/MASTER
18: wao (Ken)/792 matches, 651 wins/winning Pct. 82.20 % /BP (36071)/MASTER
19: Kazunoko (Yun)/1596 matches, 1267 wins/winning Pct. 79.39 % /BP (35912)/MASTER
20: MDR (Yun)/586 matches, 498 wins/winning Pct. 84.98 % /BP (35828)/MASTER
I dont see Zangief up there, isnt he supposed to be what Daigo was worried about?
Gief is very scary… I played a Gief at CTF that blew my Gen up, his mixups after EX greenhand in the corner are crazy
If you eat an EX green hand in the corner as Gen, you lose, period. Pre OR post-nerf green hand, it makes no difference. That said, I’ve never had any problems with Gief players as Gen, Gief has no viable anti-air against Gen’s awesome air game. Just bait the hell out of those neutral jump headbutts and crouching lariats with Oga cancels and your own neutral jump pressure. I find that the EX green hand nerf makes the matchup easy, personally.
After you filter out the Yun spam all you can really say character-wise is that it is a pretty random mix at the top right now. Not really suitable for making character quality judgments except to say Yun is likely very good (obviously).
Zangief works extremley well against Yun. Unfortunately, not against the majority of the cast. Besides, who knows how many pro Giefs dropped him with SSF4 AE.
You do have a point, still, the Beast dictated so in my mind that Zangief would still be a huge threat. There are probably aspects of his gameplay I or we are not completely familiar with… then again, he has shown he and virtually most of the professional playing community are not familiar with Gens playstyle. Amyiu and Nu seem to be the only two interacting with pro players these days.
I expect to see a Zangief up there once AE is available to the entire community… Any character that can knock gen out in a few hits is a threat
Zangief players need to shut the hell up, they act like he’s useless because of the ex greenhand nerf but they seem to forget the U2 buff and more importantly the ridiculous range on his spd now. He’s fine.
Well, as a Zangief player myself, I can’t for the life of me understand WHY they buffed that SPD at all. It was amazing before, and it’s ridiculous good now. That U2 is one of the best in the game too with it’s new properties, and more than compensates for his lack of anti-air options. (As long as you have the Ultra ready.) The fact remains though that many people seem to think that EX green hand was a buff, but it really is a complete nerf. When I get that knockdown at pointblank as a Gief player, I win. Crossup games and frame traps all day. However, like his regular green hands, the EX ones aren’t completely safe on hit now. The question is whether or not your character has a good punish to them, or if you can guess the mix-up afterwards if you don’t. Gief vs Gief matches are pretty hilarious now, since landing ANY green hand results in the attacking player eating a PAINFUL punish.
Aqua was blowing people up at CTF yesterday
Top 20: Jan. 23/2011
1: Daigo Umehara (Yun)/2761 matches, 2346 wins/winning Pct. 84.97 % /BP 62525/GRANDMASTER
2: Mago (Fei Long)/1665 matches, 1395 wins/winning Pct. 83.78 % /BP 62506/ULTIMATE MASTER
3: Nemo (Yang)/2405 matches, 1915 wins/winning Pct. 79.63 % /BP 46588/MASTER
4: Kindevu (Yun)/1355 matches, 1158 wins/winning Pct. 85.46 % BP 42875/MASTER
5: Tokido (Akuma)/1712 matches, 1436 wins/winning Pct. 83.88 % /BP 41928/MASTER
6: Wa 75842 (Makoto)/974 matches, 819 wins/winning Pct. 84.09 % /BP 41450/MASTER
7: -R- (Balrog/Boxer)/1064 matches, 911 wins/winning Pct. 85.62 % /BP 39773/MASTER
8: Amiyu (Gen)/915 matches, 784 wins/winning Pct. 85.68 % /BP 39052/MASTER
9: Michael Tan (Ken)/959 matches, 850 wins/winning Pct. 88.63 % /BP 38980/MASTER
10: Hachigashira San (Yun)/933 matches, 749 wins/winning Pct. 80.28 % /BP 38906/MASTER
11: Eriru (Yun)/990 matches, 823 wins/winning Pct. 83.13 % /BP 38740/MASTER
12: Bonchan (Sagat)/1056 matches, 772 wins/winning Pct. 73.11 % /BP 38361/MASTER
13: Uryo (Sakura)/815 matches, 730 wins/winning Pct. 89.57 % /BP 37968/MASTER
14: Deguchi (Sagat)/1244 matches, 763 wins/winning Pct. 61.33 % /BP 37304/MASTER
15: Momochi (Makoto)/636 matches, 521 wins/winning Pct. 81.92 % /BP 37240/MASTER
16: Akame Ryu (Ryu)/983 matches, 759 wins/winning Pct. 77.21 % /BP 37163/MASTER
17: Kazunoko (Yun)/1785 matches, 1418 wins/winning Pct. 79.44 % /BP 36942/MASTER
18: Kategori F (Cammy)/1109 matches, 838 wins/winning Pct. 75.56 % /BP 36805/MASTER
19: SHINCHAN (Adon)/749 matches, 582 wins/winning Pct. 77.70 % /BP 36736/MASTER
20: wao (Ken)/831 matches, 683 wins/winning Pct. 82.19 % /BP 36460/MASTER
It been a month, so maybe Gen really is awesome!
so anyone with access to the AE got an idea of how much damage the HP-MK target combo deals?
it would be 70+60 if they didnt change the damage, but thats unlikely for a TC
I’m going to guess 70+30. No reason behind it.
Just wanted to say that when looking at this video, Gens meter gain really looks better. He uses his super at the end of round 2, then he’s almost back to a full bar at the end of round 3 (including the bar he burns for EX hands). And it’s not from taking damage either. I’m sure the people that have actually played AE knows more about this, but since this Gen doesn’t use the target combos at all, that can’t be the reason either. Or maybe I’m just imagining things.
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looks about the same in that video. all the rounds were long with both players attacking a lot
Top 20: Jan 29/2011
1: Daigo Umehara (Yun)/3114 matches, 2648 wins/winning Pct. 85.04 % / BP 67136/GRAND MASTER
2: Mago (Fei Long)/1732 matches, 1450 wins/winning Pct. 83.72 % / BP 63180/ULTIMATE MASTER
3: Nemo (Yang)/2667 matches, 2151 wins/winning Pct. 80.65 % / BP 50075/MASTER
4: Kindevu (Yun)/1547 matches, 1331 wins/winning Pct. 86.04 % / BP 47318/MASTER
5: Wa 75842 (Makoto)/1155 matches, 959 wins/winning Pct. 83.03 % / BP 43737/MASTER
6: Tokido (Akuma)/1830 matches, 1528 wins/winning Pct. 83.50 % / BP 42725/MASTER
7: Kazunoko (Yun)/2031 matches, 1622 wins/winning Pct. 79.86 % / BP 42208/MASTER
8: Hachigashira San (Yun)/1009 matches, 824 wins/winning Pct. 81.67 % / BP 41748/MASTER
9: Eriru (Yun)/1093 matches, 902 wins/winning Pct. 82.53 % / BP 41218/MASTER
10: MDR (Yun)/749 matches, 614 wins/winning Pct. 81.98 % / BP 40394/MASTER
11: -R- (Balrog/Boxer)/1235 matches, 1038 wins/winning Pct. 84.05 % / BP 40010/MASTER
12: Amiyu (Gen)/955 matches, 820 wins/winning Pct. 85.86 % / BP 39937/MASTER
13: Deguchi (Sagat)/1361 matches, 836 wins/winning Pct. 61.43 % / BP 39594/MASTER
14: Michael Tan (Ken)/1032 matches, 906 wins/winning Pct. 87.79 % / BP 39564/MASTER
15: Uryo (Sakura)/875 matches, 779 wins/winning Pct. 89.03 % / BP 39490/MASTER
16: Ikoma Debiru (Ikoma Devil) (M. Bison/Dictator)/1031 matches, 767 wins/winning Pct. 74.39 % / BP 39230/MASTER
17: Akame Ryu (Ryu)/1148 matches, 884 wins/winning Pct. 77.00 % / BP 39153/MASTER
18: Momochi (Makoto)/679 matches, 554 wins/winning Pct. 81.59 % / BP 38943/MASTER
19: Nekojita (Abel)/1234 matches, 1024 wins/winning Pct. 82.98 % / BP 38135/MASTER
20: Kategori F (Cammy)/1196 matches, 896 wins/winning Pct. 74.92 % / BP 37976/MASTER
yun invasion, 6 of 'em in top 10