SSF4 Dudley Match-up Thread

s.hk xx lk ducking is -3. you can be punished if mashed hard enough or if they are just on point.
even though c.jab isnt as good as rog’s its still +2, so possibly fishing for counter hit HK’s is a good thing to do. if you counter hit HK, you can ducking c.lp and it will link.

Thank you guys for posting up these tips.
I hope this works out for me cuz online 'rogs are killing me. :frowning:

You can annihilate poor Boxer players with Cross Counter, if you use it intelligently against “better” (I use quotes as I only play online and I don’t think the quality of players I meet is that great) players you can force them to tone down their aggression and even the playing field a bit, just be prepared for tick throw setups.

Rog is not a tough matchup.

You can counter poke cr hk with your cr mk or fwd mp.

You can counter poke with st hk with yours into special.

Just outside of cr hk range you can stuff dashes with mp.

Once he gets meter it’s tougher if he wants to use ex dashes to stop your counter pokes.

On his wake it’s rape. Cr lk, cr hk, and dart shot beat regular headbutt. If he does ex dash on wake up you can punish with a meaty jab into ex jet upper or you can throw.

If he is jabbing through your block strings throw out cross counter.

Balrog isn’t scary at all. He has better overall pokes but his damage is shit without jump ins or ultra and even then it’s…

so are you just standing outside his cr.hk range?

In one word yes. I set up camp right at the edge of his poke range.

so then, wouldn’t he just start walking you into the corner or do close range lp rush punches? how do you stop him from advancing?

Is he really pushing you into the corner or are you retreating away from his presence? If he is gonna try and jab his way in hp beats that. Mp beats all of his rush punches except ex on start up. Regardless you don’t wanna fight anyone outside of a grappler at mid range. You play footsies to get in close or to get a knock down. You live inside just don’t die to get there.

alright man.

yeah I’m constantly retreating out of range to “stay safe”

I’ll try hunkering down and not walking back.

I had the trouble once where I never used s.hp when he kept pushing me into the corner so use it a lot and use f.hp because it does push Balrog back. You can also jab hit Balrog’s charge punches so it’s an easy counter hit and Balrog will be eating combos pretty badly.

ShengLongAbuser has the right idea on how to play against Rog. Just sit outside of cr.HK range and stand your ground. Rog will try to advance on you just need to man up and press those buttons at the right time to stop him from doing so.

In addition to the moves already listed, Towards + LP can also counter poke a lot of his moves. This is a quick move and moves you forwards one step, so if you know what you are doing, this can be a useful tool in the match-up.

I wouldn’t say the match is easy, but you’ve got plenty of reasons for him to be scared.

Also although I am not 100% on this, but I think cr.LK, MK target combo beats wakeup armour punch. I haven’t tested thoroughly, but if done as a meaty, it seems to be fast enough to get around his armour.

c.lk, s.mk trades at best vs ex rush punch. still a decent option though if they like backdashing, it doubles as an OS for c.lk (whiff), c.mk to tag the backdash. c.lk also beats regular headbutt. when they don’t have meter, this is the go to target combo.

I haven’t tested it but I think dart shot tc should beat it clean. My reasoning is that it beats Abels ultra 2 clean if done meaty. There is 1 frame difference between his ultra 2 and boxers fastest ex dash. If someone can test this let me know.

i think ti’s different cause f.rh cause more impact freeze than c.lk, so it works vs abel u2. i haven’t tested f.rh s.mk target vs ex rush.

rog ex rush upper beats f+rh, and c.lk s.mk chain clean.

c.lk c.mp c.hp beats ex rush upper, but trades (loses) to ex dash straight.

meaty c.lk is safe against ex headbutt if you hold downback (even if you do a chain).

Damn…

I tried the 'rog strategy, unforunately I was up against 2254PP & 7824bp 'rog and needless to say it didn’t go so well.

But I’m trying to get it down.

Anything I’ve typed is for live matches. Online is too slow to counter poke against the majority of the cast off of reactions.

Does any one have strategies vs the brokeness known as akumas vortex?

Saying the Rog matchup is easy makes me you think you are really good with Dudley or you are playing very bad Rogs. I think Rog has the advantage. He can control the match just by turtling.

Thanks for the clarification.