You people asking for Misogi need to cut that shit out…
Why should we??? since you must be a Bison player this is the wrong thread for you…
I don’t mind the crying for Misogi or KKZ… But damn, at least explain what you want it to do in SSFIV and how it would compliment or balance Akuma’s gameplay. He’s already high tier… He doesn’t really NEED anything else (minus the same shoryu problem Ken has where sometimes it doesn’t completely catch).
KKZ doesn’t have to do anything super practical, it’d just be one of those cool “fun” things added to the game. Maybe something you could SRK FADC that will make it partially connect on purpose, and does a little bit more damage than a fierce shakitas FADC in the same situation. Otherwise something that’s a really cool-looking move, that’s not just another Raging demon.
**Misogi wouldn’t be fair in SF4.
That shit would have to do more damage than SGS, and how could you counter some instant shit like that ?
If any of you have reasonable ways to implement Misogi (startup,recovery, damage) I would like to read them.
And I mained Akuma (Alpha) for years and he’s my backup in SF4 but it doesn’t matter cause I can post wherever thee fuck points at self I want to.
That is all…**
i dont understand how so many people are complaining about his super being exactly the same, because there not. you can’t use the ultra in many cases where you can do a super, and vice versa
People use his Super?
i use his super all the time 0 frame start up? untechable knockdown? 330 dammage? sure. its got not good damage for the meter but i have won so many matches with that super its not even funny. its a great move. especially out of demon flip palm.
**I agree, but I always end up using EX before I get that far.
Unless I’m playing as Sim or Ryu, I almost never have a Super…**
I think it wouldn’t be too far fetched to think his new ultra will be a fireball (that would also be able to be thrown in the air), like in SFIII
other than that, I don’t play him, but he seems fine enough. Maybe give him a bit less stun, and I still say I would love to fight against him if he could hadoken during demon flips
First of all since your a Gouki player you should already know that the SGS is Gouki’s most devastation move NOT Misogi. Second Gouki is the ONLY player in SFIV that you CAN"T combo into his ultra.
Also as far as the start up, recovery, damage well Capcom workers get paid to make those adjustments so even if I came up with numbers it doesn’t matter simply because my numbers won’t be input into the game.
Explain to me WHY you think Misogi shouldn’t be a second ultra for Gouki? Hell blanka’s Ultra at full charge does more damage than Gouki’s SGS(depends on certain characters). Why not give the master of the fists his arsenal? Shit Sagat is by far OP and I’m sure there are going to be more characters that will be higher on the Tier list on SSFIV then Gouki ao give him and his true fans what they want…
**Misogi did more or equal damage in CVS2.
Akuma doesn’t NEED to combo into Ultra. Shit one well placed 10 hit link+SGS = you might as well play Tekken.
Akuma has more than enough tools at his disposal already, and now you want him to be able to combo into Ultra? Then you turn around and call Sagat OP? 
Akuma’s Ultra is based on fear and good timing. The fact that he has a full Ultra meter is supposed to scare your opponent a little. Your not suppossed to land it very single match.
You want the guy with the second most powerful Ultra in the game to have an available setup into it? Really?
And El Fuerte can’t combo into Ultra…**
I really must suggest that you put a little more thought into your posts, sir.
First, technically you can hit confirm into RD in the corner through a level 2 focus cancel. The timing is very tight and it’s not really all that practical for use in a real match, but it can be done.
Second, there are many characters who lack the ability to combo into ultra outside of a focus attack crumple. Honda, Dhalsim, Dan, El Fuerte, Vega, Zangief, etc…
Akuma does not need improvement. He is a well balanced character, and should for the most part be left as is. If zero bad matchups (other than, arguably, Cammy) is not good enough for you, then I don’t know what to tell you other than to step up your game or quit. You complain about Sagat one minute, then the next spout uninformed bullshit about how Gouki needs outrageous buffs. It’s ridiculous.
To be technical his Ultra is tied with Blanka’s for the most damaging.
Some people say cucumbers taste better pickled…
Once again READ my post before making accusations… Gouki DOES needs improvement and that my friend ain’t even an argument. Second a level 2 focus attack into a Rd is hardly a combo and if you consider that a combo then WOW.
And talk about “put a little more thought into your posts, sir.” then I suggest you do the same…For you can’t say Akuma does not need improvement then turn around and write “should for the most part be left as is.” Akuma does needs improvement like a faster recovery on his sanku, a better combo into his “new” ultra instead of your so called “level 2 FA into a RD”(and other’s more). BTW Blanka ultra does more damage to certain characters than Gouki’s Ultra and if you read my post(which I seriously doubt it) I wrote “certain characters”…
All in all if you think Akuma doesn’t need to be tweaked or fix in some way or another then you obviously don’t play SFIv because even the best Akuma players will agree that he does needs some “improvements” in certain sections of his moves whether is recovery or balance in certain places.
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That’s just an opinion. Both Akuma’s and Blanka’s do 600 damage fully charged. It doesn’t matter if it’s your (or my) opinion or not, it won’t change the fact that they’re both the most powerful ultra in the game.
BTW I have no problem with facing and beating all the other characters and I never said give him your so called “outrageous buffs”. Once again read my post before talking out your a$$.
And about Sagat…if you haven’t heard he’s OP and I’m not the only one saying it or agreeing with it. Also I stand by my post that when the tier list comes out for SSFIV more characters will be ahead of Gouki then the previous SFIV, even with you so called “outrageous buffs”(wow this dude is funny:rofl:)
I really don’t see what Akuma needs improvement in. Any MORE improvement would make him a broken character.
Sagat’s strong but not overpowered. I mean he’s REALLY strong, but if you compared his match ups to 3s Chun it’s not too bad.
Yup and opinions is like a$$holes…everybody has one!!!