SSF4 Akuma thread

SRPilot · December 1, 2009, 12:33am

Probably a little more priority on his normals… and well, maybe SAI form 3S but just maybe.

fadecy · December 1, 2009, 12:36am

1.) Learn the timing better.
2.) It has frigging instant recovery.

mio · December 1, 2009, 11:52am

I don’t know what has been said in this thread because I haven’t read anything (too much material to read) but this is my stance on Akuma in SSF4:

-Make Super into a cancellable/linkable fireball like 3s (keep ultra the same)

Everything else about SF4 Akuma is pretty much perfect in my opinion.

Four_Wude · December 1, 2009, 10:01pm

If they end up making a nerf to Akuma, the only one I think needs to happen is that sweep needs to be unsafe and/or removed as a combo from hurricane. That is debatable to boot.

I don’t think he needs any buffs or real nerfs because he loses due to inconsistencies in the game engine more than anything else (random stuff, mashed uppercuts, etc). His tool set seems fine as is. I’d prefer if his Ultra did not give the opponent 2 and a half bars of meter though.

Barnaby_Goog · December 2, 2009, 12:17am

idk because ryu can easily link Cr. Jab Cr. Jab sweep… at least akuma needs to time his correcly on certain charachters, oh yeah and you need to land a LK tatsu to do it. think a little more on that one please, because if akuma cant knock you down he cant mix you up or set up his zoning again. and when ur fighting Gief or E honda you want them getting up on YOUR terms not theirs.

SSblanka · December 3, 2009, 7:20pm

don’t ‘auto-correct’ my teleport.

Zerog65 · December 3, 2009, 11:24pm

Mackdaddi:

I’ve mained akuma for a long time, and i really liked him in IV, but there are a couple of things that i thought badly needed changing.

First and foremost, change his raging demon to work the way it did in older SF games. It should catch at any point in it’s slide/warp across the screen, and not just at the end. The situation where it can “push” you across the stage until it eventually catches you is retarded, and is unique in all the games i’ve played him in.It’s nowhere near as scary a move as it used to be. If somebody pulls it off as an anti air or whatever it should land, because in 99% of games that had it, it was something to be feared. In IV, It’s too powerful when it lands, but is too limited in it’s application to land enough to make a difference against good opponents. In other SF games, If akuma got meter you had to keep the fuck away from him and he could push a big attacking advantage. Now it’s only useful in a very limited amount of situations, and any other time it’s used you can just jump away from it. He’s no more scary in offence or when he’s close to you with meter than when he doesn’t have it, unless you make a really huge mistake or whiff something that he can use it to punish.

I would make the raging demon his ultra only, and change the motion back to the normal lp,lp, Forward, lk, hp, and make it more universally useful once he has meter, but nerf the damage slightly to balance that out. (IMO ultras damage should be toned down across the board, but their usefulness should be levelled out, so that all characters can land them easily enough, rather than the current situation of some characters finding it easy to combo into ultras for big damage, like sagat, while other characters have to work really hard to land one, like akuma).

I would replace his super raging demon with one of his older supers from the alpha series or third strike, my preference would be the Zankuu Shoryuken, or whatever it’s called, like ken’s shin shoryuken, a double dragon punch anti air, but he could also have his fireball super, if the shoryuken made him too much of a turtling powerhouse. This gives him 2 options, and not essentially the same move twice, like the demon is in IV at the moment. 3 Selectable supers like in Third strike would be great, but that might bring up all kinds of balance issues in the character roster.

(for anyone who’s new to SF, this is what these moves used to look like:
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Also (and this is across the board) i think supers should be easier to build meter for, because nobody uses them much in favour of EX moves. They should also be “levelable” like in some other SF games, ie you don’t need to build up a full meter to use a super, the bar is in 3 sections, and once you fill 1, 2,or 3 of the sections by attacking, you can do a different strength super move by using a light, strong, or fierce attack to activate it. This would tone EX moves down a bit and give supers more value and more frequency in the game.

I think teleport is fine, it’s already a get out of jail free card for akuma if you know how to use it carefully and not telegraph it, it doesn’t need to be improved, it’s already one of the best in the game.

Other than that, the only niggles i have are things like the way his red fireballs work. The speed and number of hits should be related to the button you press for the move, slow is activated using jab and hits once but is powerful, medium speed is strong punch and hits twice but is less powerful, fast is fierce punch and hits 3 times but is less damage overall. Recovery times should be a little longer than on his standard fireballs to balance out the extra attacking advantage the moves give him and add an element of risk to them instead of making them his “go to” fireballs, and making his standard ones redundant.

This is all i can think of. I would pretty much leave everything else with him the same, but some kind of easy to use palette editor for character colours like in Capcom Vs SNK 2 that allowed you to custom edit your character’s colours would be cool to put in superIV. You could create your own outfit colour schemes and have them visible to your opponents online. It would add a degree of individuality to character choice that you don’t get by picking from the standard 10 or whatever unlocked colours. You can have a bunch of pallettes saved, and one set as your selectable custom colour from your list of character colours on the character select screen.

I used to have a badass fiery red & grey shin akuma palette that i used all the time in CVS2, i would love to get something like that in online in Super IV.

dude I totally agree with you but mainly on the ultra I have been maining akuma and most of the time I lose because I will set up a perfect raging demon but in the end I might punch them or something by accident and it pushes them and they counter into their ultra or they hit me and set up there combo.

and give him somemore health and decrease sagat so sick of losing to him due to is outragious health and powetr

DJMOJO · December 3, 2009, 11:42pm

Play ryu. palm strike is a perfectly fine focus break.

My advise to you is to get better with akuma and buffering the demon. Akumas demon is fine, akuma isnt ment to be noobtastic. akuma is already played by enough scrubs online. if you cant figure akumas ultra in sf4 you need to play sf4 more. landing the demon is easy as hell when/if you know how to use it properly. :tup:

Wasted · December 4, 2009, 2:04am

It’s only easy because your opponent does something stupid against you.

Jon_Slayton · December 5, 2009, 3:45pm

Personally I think Akuma should have this moveset. I think it’d help balance him out a bit:

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P.o.t.S · December 5, 2009, 10:11pm

DJGroundZero · December 5, 2009, 10:38pm

Far as I’m concerned:
Reduce the Damage that Akuma takes by about 15%
Reduce the damage a little bit on his Shun Goku Satsu’s by 10-15%
Give Akuma back his Kongou Koku Retsu Zan (lightning fist ground smash) as his alternate ultra and make it connectable with appropriately scaled damage (less if used in a combo, more if used stand alone)

Mackdaddi · December 5, 2009, 10:49pm

LMFAO! Excellent. I love the sound effects

Riot55 · December 7, 2009, 4:38am

let him taunt after you knock out your opponent to upset them, only change I want

dwd · December 7, 2009, 4:54am

If you reduce the damage he takes with about 15 percent, he’ll have close to 1000k health and will probably be the strongest character in the game.

Bman · December 7, 2009, 5:37am

Really, why even be conservative with these ridiculous buffs? You might as well say that you want his jab damage to be a one hit kill for Gief.

Lionx · December 7, 2009, 8:31am

YES! Genius! Capcom needs to listen to this man!

Everyone knows Akuma needs a Katamari Ball to balance him out…

Bokkin · December 7, 2009, 1:47pm

ill say it again…leave him alone…give him kkz but make it helllla hard to land…that is all. (a tatsu super would be nice)

God_s_Beard · December 7, 2009, 9:11pm

KKZ might be a bit overpowered with no air blocking/parrying, though, considering that its hit box takes up over 60% of the screen. It would definitely have to do less damage than Ryu’s ultra.

Scrub_Goku_Satsu · December 7, 2009, 9:56pm

KKZ as an AA would be fucking HORRIFIC. I’d be embarrassed to use it.

Messatsu Gohadouken would be feasible I think. You wouldn’t be able to punish neutral jumps like Ryu can due to the extra animation frames for Akuma’s fireball, so it would pretty much just be for super cancels and air to air battles.