I think far s.fp works well at this range but yeah teleport for safety is sweet.
sorry it is rather hard to convey vocal intonations/expression through text but yea… i thought it was obvious enough for me (my mistake). I saw it in the SRK media section under ‘comical’ lol so i know it was supposed to be a joke. I just thought it was a general consensus that it was a fun vid. im not trolling, i am yode u see?
we can talk about akuma matchups now though. the fierce green hand cant reach akumas back tele? i mean obviously itll be DURING the tele animation but if gief times that, cant he just ultra once the green hand has ended and akuma is a sitting duck?
ok, i’ll let you guys in on a big thing for gief, which i’ve learned by playing a gauntlet of good zangiefs twice a week for over a year…
standing. hard. punch.
i don’t think so, i’ve seen giefs os green hand into ultra after a crossup attempt, but not in the situation that they’re just jumping in on you outside of cr. fierce range
Ok to the guy that needed the video on OS’ing rose:
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So, to clarify about the Rose OS: You jump with kick, and then immediately hold “D+FK”??? Is that it? Thanks.
Jump RH option select sweep is great against Viper. If she does HP TK, you block. If she does EX Seismo or EX Seismo feint, she gets swept. If she backdashes, she gets swept. If she does EX Burn Kick she goes over you and whiffs.
Its sort of like a double tap. You jump in with roundhouse, and after the first button press you press it again about a second later. Imagine if the rose blocked, you would be pressing the sweep as she blocked the j.rh.
I dunno about all that. I just got out of training mode and against OS sweep HP TK reverses the sweep, EX seismo goes completely through and hits the sweeps. Only thing that the OS was beating was backdashes. If you could make a video or something and verify it then I’ll think otherwise though.
What about a regular OS srk or tatsu?
Honestly viper can’t do much on akuma’s vortex. Those seismo hammers on wake-up is a free demon for you. I saw some of your option select videos and I’m wondering why you don’t use OS’s on viper. You can even os sweep seismo. I usually just use palm/grab on viper but the timing for safe jumping palm is strict.
I can’t make a video because I have no way to record, but I just did it in training mode. One thing I didn’t specify was that you have to hold downback when doing the sweep in order to block the HP TK. I think you’re doing the jump in too early for this particular option select. When I timed my jump in earlier I got the same results you did, but when I did it a bit later the sweep beat out EX Seismo and the HP TK was blocked. You can always option select HP SRK as well; I just like sweep for the untechable knockdown.
I must be messing up the timing. I’ll keep working at it. Thanks for lettin me know
You’re doing the sweep too early. Do it as late as possible, but still being an OS. Try it again.
This is right, I just figured it out. The only problem is if she does an EX Seismo feint she can block your sweep unless my timing was off or something. And I don’t think you would be able to punish the EX Burn Kick after your sweep whiffs under it.
Yeah, you guys are right. The sweep has to be as ‘meaty’ as possible in order for this OS to work. I’m uploading a video right now of the correct way to do it, with commentary so I think you should be able to hear the way I adjusted my button presses.
here are the videos:
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Meh i answered the exact same thing for metallicaband, Rugi, too bad you didnt see it earlier.
Some contribution as im a Viper player also (cant figure what my main is!!).
Viper can somewhat negate that sweep OS even if the sweep is instant (or delayed) by doing her fp thunder knuckle FEINT which gives her about 4 invincibility frames allowing her to avoid the jump in attack and then block the sweep. Personally i use this a-freakin-lot even though its really hard to do, so against those u use it the sweep OS isnt good, but doing a DP OS select is great because even though she cant be hit by the sweep (6f start up) she can be hit by attacks that have 5 or less frames startup aka shoryuken (or c.mp to bnb why not) which will beat every choice she has except ex burning kick which will trade, forcing her to block. Still i dont think there are many Vipers that use that feint alot (on wakeup i mean) so dont get dissapointed (maybe) 
Note: Her ex seismo feint has actually more invincibility but she recovers by that cancel much slower than the fp tk one, so in that case the sweep will connect.
Also her wake up game is extra weak vs shotos. Doing a c.mk (even from close range, hugging her :P) at her wake up will, well, not lose by any special she has, it will whiff vs everything. ex to test that, dash sweep, then dash twice and do c.mk asap.
Doesnt ex seismo beat that c.mk example you mentioned? Or is there a way to do it meaty enough to beat the seismo?
Well if you try the example i gave (x to test that, dash sweep, then dash twice and do c.mk asap.) you will see that c.mk hits inv frames but you have time to recover and block the actual attack of ex seismo. If you are thinking for some actual use for it, the answer is, resets. Say for ex. lk tatsu, c.lp, dash c.mk. Practically any situation where you cant use the jump rh to sweep/dp (i prefer dp here it rocks :P) OS.
What do you guys do about Cammy?