Weapons, surely Gief is not auto lose at the select screen. No one is saying that, but fact is he is the most nerfed character in the sf4 series by far. So maybe folks are a bit too salty up in here but can you blame em?
from then till now:
3 to 4 fr cr lk
Lariat hitbox (Giefs might agree with this taken away, but amidst all the other nerfs it is definitely missed in some areas)
ridiculous air hurt box vulnerability. He gets hit on his feet unlike some other empty jump grapplers I know (hawk)
normal jump to floaty jump
EXGH no KD
u1 damage not round ending like sf4
combo damage reduction
combo difficulty dramatically increased (ok, maybe just affects online Giefs)
HP nerf 1200 -1100
And between all this the only solace is a pixel of range on lp spd and a grabbox that should have been there all along on u2? So if I read right Giefers are supposed to be happy that their gameplay now almost completely revolves around whiff punishing with s.mp and lp/lk OS’s that don’t even KD anymore? Oh I know, bust out U2 to catch a backdash, jump or dp. Too bad on alot of OS’s, he is way too far to even get that 50/50.
Like I said before maybe Vance might WOW us at Evo, but these Jap Giefs have not been impressing at all. Have their skills deteriorated so much from arcade sf4 when we last saw them on a regular basis? They’re still hitting combos in their sleep, just that Gief’s wins on a high level just keep getting hella harder, even in “5-5” matchups.
@final. Man, if I had a quarter for everytime you say the word scrub. lol
^Trini you know he was being sarcastic right… but I do agree on the scale of nerfs to buffs is one sided you forgot to add increase damage to hard punch for Gief (still wonder if that is his fierce is it?)
Edit: I saw it again and you were right, were you going for ultra in that one round were your super came out or was that intentional? Aside from that you stayed in it he just knew how to space too damn well.
Weaponsleft you tried 5 times ex hand combo in these two video
the easiest one, the one you claimed hard to drop online.
none all them linked.
you know , you are a total NOOB zangief you know
there was never option select footies in your videos , never was
not to mention any option select meaties, you can never safe jump.
you combo rate is close to zero. all you can do is mashing and mashing and mashing ,hoping the opponent is slow or miss links.
Capcom has nerfed Zangief so OS meaty is almost useless to suit the scrubs more.
I guess that why you like the new geif so much. just like when online lag, the lower skilled player always has some advantage, because the high skilled player may have problems doing links or tricks, the lower skilled player cannot do that when no lag, so he doesnt care.
That’s exactly why you favour the AE gief,
"I can not do that, so it’s good now other giefs cannot do that either."
LOL
How the fuck a beginner zangief like you have the ball to talk like expert??
I am not the best, but it’s quite clear you are the worst.
Very much done with you man. The TFA Tuesday’s vids are posted for a reason it’s for us to go back and look at footage and improve. It’s an 8 man lobby with varying connection speeds. You said you never dropped the combo online. I don’t do a lot of things well online. Like teching throws ever. Hasn’t effected my offline results much at all.
There’s no evidence that you even have access to a copy of super given the fact that the only record of you playing anywhere is on PC and there hasn’t even been a release of the game for your preferred machine. And yet you come in this forum on the regular and speak on the matter with no evidence to support that you have even played the game.
Done. You can post as many videos as you’d like of online failure. I’m removing my inflammatory post towards you and calling it a day. I shouldn’t have lost it like I did earlier, but in all seriousness your arguments make me question if you even understand the English language. I have said nothing about favoring AE Gief and you have proven nothing other than your burning thirst to prove that I can’t possibly be a decent player offline because there are videos of me playing in an endless lobby not successfully converting combos. Good day.
Sorry dude, only sswyu gets an opinion on AE Gief.lol
And you know damn well it is way more than “a pixel” increase. Doesn’t make up foe EXGH not knocking down but it is significant.
I just want to clarify that I am not attacking anyone/anything. I think sswyu went pretty negative with his direction. It is one thing to point out some flaws in someones game and another to just plain be awful to them.
I was more poking a bit of non-destructive fun at Trini constantly interpreting Gief’s new lp spd range as “a pixel” when it is actually a pretty monster range buff (plus more damage). If they block s.mp at Gief’s second knuckle they are in danger. Not saying he is better , but new lp spd is nothing to just dismiss.
+10 damage? lol. I see your point on dismissal, but until that extra “pixel” aides in the consistent HäagenDazs-ing of the likes of jwong, rortiz or sanford, I’m just not buying it. I mean in alot of MU’s on the highest levels, Gief never even lands SPDs outside punishes anyway. And any tick attempt that actually works would have even without the added range.
To attempt an spd, even with the added training mode square, is akin to throwing out a DP. Maybe if Gief didn’t hunch over for so long on a whiff animation I’d be more hype. Its just not a game changer. (To be fair alot of the AE buffs I believe will pan out to be meh). Players will simply adjust.
But I will give you this… in the corner when people become more defensive and try to poke their way out, it has deceptive surprise factor. But its just difficult for Gief to continue braindead pressure even if he lands it. That’s where if they buffed his lp spd to be like Hawks, might have been a totally different story. Like TOTALLY.
@thread. Yes, lets get this back to constructive conversation and no personal attacking.
Manage to watch most of the Nagoya tournament like I mentioned before most of the Gief’s have stepped up and did rather nicely. Only one had trouble against team Yun but that only being since they you know had time to download him as the weaker Yun player would get defeated so it makes sense. One sec sadly I haven’t seen that set posted up yet but in the meantime
Here is a good one with Super Uriajjou
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Also from what I manage to catch from the Zangief players have gotten better at baiting for the l.spd there was a couple of matches where that was a saving grace one was against a Ken player who pressured him very well. Most played real solid and manage to hold there own against the “buff” characters just one who lost to a Rufus in the start even though he had him both rounds but little mistakes cost him. That is most of what I manage to catch that and KOG being a full time Hawk player now by the looks of it.
uriajjou got extra lucky in those first two matches but that Bison match was nice. That st.Mp, st.LK xx EX hand bnb is too gdlk.
BTW, Grimm. I’m gonna be graduating and leaving Oklahoma in like 3 weeks and I’ll be back in the H. What arcade do you go to? Since I aint got school anymore and finally got time, I’m gonna be gettin deep into the SF scene.
Sswyu where are you from? Who do you play against on a regular basis? What was your record at the last tourny you went to? Do you just watch streams and to never play the game?.. Scratch that last question I think I know the answer to that.
Also finalround I’m disappointed in you defending sswyu he is either a troll account or just some stream monster who wants to talk shit to real players. I think you should be able to tell the difference between a troll and someone who plays the game competively.
The more I look into it I’m pretty sure sure sswyu is a troll account and I’m going to look into having the mods delete it. Sswyu if you are real let us know a little about you because you keep north American hours but we have no clue where you are from or who you know.
LOL , Bp amaco , I know your playing style,seen some videos of yours, very similar to weapon left’s style
no confirm, jump crlk kkk lariat , splash crlk ppp, wakup ex green hand or empty jump grab, all the things like that.
almost no os footies, or anything that is impressive.
I cannt believe a so called tourney player use splash cr lk ppp all the time. and the ppp keeps whiffing on crouch opponent.
but you were doing that pretty much all the time. that’s the only thing impressive.
ye, you play tourneys with some other scrubs, ye tourney has no entry skill limits, that’s why you think you were playing competitively.
I don’t need any videos to prove anything about me. I do played at arcades in Asia from time to time. and everyone I have played know how good a zangief player I am, including players playing so called tourneys.
If this is your so called tournament level player
then you’d better shut up.
spam lariat and gets punished is pretty much all the things in your match.
Lol… I only play at arcades in Asia. That’s like the saying you wouldn’t know my hot girl friend she’s from Canada. Your a joke dude.
You have the balls to talk shit but not the balls to back it up with your own play. Any time you post anything I’m going to bring this up. Feel free to talk shit about how bad I am at this game it doesn’t mean anything from someone with zero credibility.
Everyone you’ve played like who? Just curious. And I would like to see at least one vid of you playing a match. The only one of you that I know exists is the short combo vid you did a while back which, if it was really you, was, admittedly, impressive. The personal attacks are really just uncalled for, tho.
You don’t play the game and just talk shit online prove me wrong.
You seem to keep north American hours online but you say you only play in arcades in Asia that’s weird. It’s strange that you wouldn’t say even what country your from? Or which country in Asia the arcades you play in and are the god zangief of. Who do you play again? What time is it where you are at right now?
Like I said feel free to talk shit about my play because that’s all you got.
Can you feel it sswyu all your online lies are catching up with you and everyone is figueing out who you really are a nothing. Just tell the truth you don’t play you just watch. I like to go on forums for quarterbacks and tell them how to throw the ball it’s ok.