I wish I could see what Aqua sees. He seems to love Gief even more now.
They were exact same scenario as Itabashi vs Bonchan before bon did Kara DP.
In one of the guard crush streams Arturo mentioned that Aqua likes AE Gief because everyone knows Super Giefs shenanigans so AE Gief opens new possibilities and somewhat unpredictable. I wish he would actually post a response and try to convince us from our current negative state on these changes.
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^^Agreed. He’s a much better player than I am so maybe he sees something I don’t. I also think that the AE changes suit Aquasilk’s playstyle moreso than the other World-class Giefs.
I’d like to hear what some of the other great Zangiefs have to say. Anyone know what Vangief, Itabashi, Zangitan, Cantona, etc. think about these changes?
The AE changes favor Gief players who are already really good at tick throwing, walking 360’s, punishing with U2, and can execute combos consistently. I agree with Aqua 100% in that Gief’s “vortex” has been solved by most top players and the odds of you getting mixup shenanigans from a knockdown are not what they were when Super was first released. This game is for the most part “sovled” people understand what Gief is capable of and what to watch for and have seen the setups a million times. I knocked PR Rog down this weekend several times during our match and he safely escaped with meter effortlessly and Balrog’s wakeup game is suspect at best.
The no knockdown is noticeable in some matchups and will surely be missed but most of said matchups: Guile, Dhalsim, Seth, Rose, Guy, Gouken for example are either nerfed or changed in other ways that benefit Gief. He is going to be useful in playing against the twins. The twins are extremely good, nobody is at a flat advantage when playing them so there is no direct counter, but Gief fares better than a lot of the rest of the cast and that’s the truth. Zangief isn’t the most buffed character in AE, but he’s never been the most buff character in any SF4 series game. His hard matchups remain hard, his even matchups still require you play well.
I never agree with the sky is falling nature that pervades these forums, so I know I sound contrary and I apologize for that. I’m not the best Gief in the world, but my game is improving steadily and as it does so and I attend more large events and get games with people that are knowledgeable about the game and pros it has become apparent that if you want to win you have to exploit all the tools you have available. You all know that Gief is not a free win. The reason Aqua likes AE Gief is that he is an intuition monster. He plays with a tremendous instinct for what players want to do and he shuts it down. He also doesn’t drop combos. That’s a devastating combination for a Gief player. AE Gief has to condition people and exploit the range on lp SPD. His footsie game isn’t weaker, it’s different. A LOT of top players that I’ve spoken with fear the range increase of SPD because their primary footsie tools will be punishable at high levels of play and it increases the already large fear factor of playing Gief within a character length’s range and many non-projectile characters have to enter that range to do damage.
AE is a new game. Super right now is nothing like what it was a year ago. The same will be true of AE, and the rumors are still all over the place as to how AE will arrive on console. I ask only that you guys reserve judgement or go in with a positive attitude. The meta-game in AE at current seems to be based around playing characters that perform well against the new top tier. Makoto, Yun, and Yang, are FAIR matchups. That’s more than a lot of people can say. If you have something to be scared of in my opinion it’s Fei Long. After playing with Inthul a fair amount this weekend and talking to him when we teamed up for the 3v3 SF 4 tournament, I can safely say that matchup is going to suck at high level. He has batshit crazy normal priority as is, and that’s only improving in AE. You genuinely need to play obscenely patient and be comfortable doing a lot of nothing and capitalize on every mistake that Fei makes. If you try to go in at all, you’ll get exposed. If you want to be scared of a character or matchup, that’s the one. Sagat is Sagat, that matchup has never been good, so there’s no need to start crying about it now, and an average Sagat will lose to a really good Gief with tons of matchup experience. If you’re not playing Floe or Sanford you should at least have a shot. And hell I even took a round from Floe’s Sagat this weekend in tournament. Even THAT matchup is playable with meter.
Don’t go in with this defeatist attitude I’m seeing. Doing so is just going to assure that the outcome you’re prepared for is going to come true.
Aquasilk’s recently AE videos show he lost 3 of 4 of the games. and I didnt see any thing worth mentioning in his videos.
the match he won was because that abel made a stupid choice when he got a huge lead and caught by aquasilk’s gamble u2.
an increase 0.1 of the light spd is not going to change the game in any manner.
if you like to abuse lp spd in footies game , i am pretty sure you are always on the losing side. pretty sure about that.
if you land lp spd ye 180 damage, if not, you eat 200-300 damage in return
every spd is like a random srk, you saw any happy random srk ken winning big tournaments??
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that’s what happens if you grab too much.
They once said zangief has advantage vs twins , just like they once said zangief vs feilong is 7:3
if they dont know that matchup they always overrate zangief.
I am pretty sure zangief lost to twins.
BTW they once rated zangief vs honda 7:3 zangief vs chunli 7:3
zangief vs akuma 6:4 in sf4
same old shit about twins here again.
btw , if you let Balrog get away freely on wakeup , that means you didnt know how to play this wakeup game
safe jump splash os spd beats all of barlog’s options.
his only choice is to block.
Aqua = Dione Warwick, real talk.
Good write up weapons, but I fear AE gief will get exposed over time just like super gief did. The character simply has to take too many risks to win.
But I will reserve final judgment until vance shows up at evo. Because last year after super nerfs most of us thought he was done even Aqua who said and I quote “gief is trash, probably dropping him”.
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He’s always taken risk the thing is here getting in just looks a ton different since you aren’t knocking down but good write up I still annoyed since my game isn’t top but I’m still learning.
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LP SPD should be 200 damage, MP 240, HP 280, EX 300. Super should be back to 500. Ultra goes down to 500.
T. Hawk’s throw damage should be similarly increased by the way. Abel can suck it. Stupid that Abel has all this shit to get in and has a throw that does pretty much the same damage as an SPD.
Oh and Gief’s health should be back to 1200, which Hawk should get as well.
Dude you’re an idiot. Watch the match it’s on the stream archive from Team Spooky since I actually go to tournaments instead of trolling these forums. A Balrog with meter can EX-pick your favorite rush punch and they’re out. For free. Without meter he can focus backdash which he did on multiple occasions and the best punish you will be able to mount is a jab and your completely ridiculous splash os would not work. Keep posting videos of Japanese Gief’s losing, ignore the facts. After this post I will never respond to a single thing you say and neither should anyone else.
Edit: To everyone else in these forums, I’m sorry if the above sounds harsh, but do yourself a favor and read this dude’s post history. imo it’s nothing short of amazing that he hasn’t been outed as the troll he is. Were it my board he would have been banned many many moons ago.
^^^ Um, Dang yo.
Anyway, the EX rush punch isn’t exactly a free escape. If you expect it and time it right you can snag him with lp spd or u1.
But yeah Balrog isn’t exactly free to Gief on wakeup esp w/ quick stand. Balrog is free to Akuma, hell all DK characters. HAHAHA. But how many characters aren’t anyway?
I remember facing ghettoperu (online judge if you will) and he was escaping with meter or just FADC to escape the splash shenanigans I simply caught him with c.lk to ex GH since he got to comfy of course he got mad I beat him (it was my first and to date only time) and he proceeded to body me next set and kicked me lol.
Went off topic a bit sorry but just because they solved it doesn’t mean they won’t fall for it. You just have to be more tricky in fake cross-ups and double knee set ups, neutral jumps etc. (of course I’m talking pre stream) I’ll get a good look later in the day and see what you meant so no disrespect to your skill if it comes across that way as I am typing this. Quick question was this teams or singles?
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WeaponsLeft
you are a fucking moron, simple as that.
dont make example how noob zangief cannot handle boxer’s wakeup game
it’s only showing your idiocy.
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seriously, dont make any posts on this forum showing you shit skill and judgement anymore.
Do me a favour, Go fuck your mother, since that maybe the only way to improve the IQ of your next generation, seriously.
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Watch WeaponsLeft’s idiot play, this guy only knows 3 things about zangief
lariat, grab and random ex hand
he abuse garbs like a noob ken abuse his DP
this guy never can land any combos, not to mention os footies.
seriously, even the easiest combo gets blocked all the time.
how the fuck a noob zangief like you have the ball to discuss the pro and con of zangief, it’s quite beyond me.
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ye, even if he cannot do combos, he beats some noobs sometimes.
that’s why fight scrubs gave him the false impression zangief is improved.
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LOL, now you know why he says barlog can escape for free. ye, boxer can walk freely vs him
he only had 2 chances doing wakeup game vs barlog the entire game.
one he hit boxer with a focused splash and a lp, 120 damage, ye , which HE CONSIDERED FREE ESCAPE.
the other one he cross up an do a nomal throw.
and whey he hit them with ppp larait, which cannot apply jump meaty pressure, he choose to headbutt and get hit.
LOL. what idiot play, now I do understand why it’s free to escape, any boxer playing vs you can walk around freely.,
pretty sure about that. it’s boxer giving you wakeup pressure all the time.
i’m sorry but rog is free as fuck on wake up… splash os ex ex rapes rush upper or knee os ex hand rapes rog on wake up. if you know he’s going to focus attack back dash… do knees then do st.lk os ex hand…it will get them every time.
btw sswyu has helped out with this forums with very reliable and solid info. i have been around this forum for a while now. he’s not as forgiven as he use to be, with the multitude of scrubs that plague this forum… hell even renegade,ultradavid,aquasilk and vance don’t even post here unless they feel the need to, but i’m pretty sure they read and just laugh.
roflmao double perfect lmaoooooooo
that rog has no respect lol. word. i have never seen a rog rush a gief player down NEVER not like that. anyway man…
Great a double perfect online from a turbo Honda online. Good looking out. Another video from online joke matches that nobody actually cares about. I can show you videos of me destroying Holden. He’s a local guy, he’s never beaten me in a tournament. Ever. I’m super embarassed. Posting plenty of online matches and ignoring offline results. How about the match from this past weekend at PowerUP vs PR? You must have missed that. Ask Inthul or anyone else if I can combo that has played me recently.
The Alucard match is harsh, maybe you should check the one vs Woflkrone at the same tournament. Alucard’s style is completely foreign. It’s not like he went to the Gamestop national tournament and did extremely well or anything. It’s typical from sswyu. If you want me to compile a video highlighting my best games I’ll do that. I can find video of any Gief player looking bad. From the last 5 videos you posted of Japanese pros. It’s typical sswyu. I now have to make a youtube channel and upload glory matches just to negate videos of me losing? Ask anyone that’s been to a major, Seasons Beatings:R, PowerUp, or even upcoming UFGT7 and Evo. Feel free to play me in casuals and let me know how free I am offline. I’ll accept money matches as well.
I really don’t care about online at all. And for anyone who believes me to be horrible, feel free to play me and I’ll disavow you of that belief. I’m in no way embarassed of my ability. Sorry if that offends anyone.
Taking a random online match to spit on his credability is real low. You can find awefull matches of me on youtube, and great once. depending on what era, you’re looking at.
Balrog isnt free on wakeup… Whenever i play a rog on XBL, hes free on wakeup. Rogs that have epxirience in the MU, isnt free on wakeup. I got two friends, who play balrog. I dont get that much out of their WU. Still win, but more by playing safe, and keeping space control.
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Is that one you were reffering to?
So , let’s check this out.
Ok, random light green hand, blocked punish, O, another random lp hand, punish O another. another whiffed grab, o another lp hand.
and this combo finally. Let’s see , cr lp lp lp lp hand AGAIN?
Well, I guess I understand why you like the green hand no kd any more.
you do like fighting those who are slow and cannot punished blocked or hit lp hand
and your invention of this set of combo is really inspirinig.
lp 20 damage instead of st lk 30 or cr lk 40, not to mention the range of st lk
I wonder why they didint include this combo in the zangief trial ,it should be the last one of the hard trial.