Well yes and no it depends on the player most Yun players had experience against Gief so they could keep him out but when he managed to get in it was more even.
Also most of those guys have more than likely picked up Akuma, Sagat or to a lesser extent Chun & Makoto to counter this match up. Like the team tourney I was not a fan of Daigo’s team because aside from Akuma it had two Sagats to make sure no grapplers would get to him I can understand one but two they really wanted to cover any and all match ups and it worked on Itabashi the best Zangief out there. Also the lack of a KD really showed it’s ugly rear in that last round where he guessed right and got the EX Hand (twice) only to get beat by a Kara DP because his best option was block and he was trying for that quick off the ground U2 which IMHO is still unreliable at times.
Is this the match you’re referring to? Because this set makes Gief look like ass, TBH. He’s not controlling any space and is getting backed into the corner for free, unable to apply any safe pressure. He never really got anything out of the few EX hands that he hit, other than a desperation ultra from Fei and his whole offense was pretty much 3-4 normals that he really only hit when Mago made silly mistakes. I mean, it’s Zangief. Itabashi at that. And I can count on one hand how many SPDs he hit in 3 matches and still have a finger left over to flip off Ono for fuckin up a well balanced character.
It’s not just him recently more Giefs players have taken to turtling against Fei Long even with the “extra” range on SPD the have managed to space it enough were they eat rekka’s Zangitan also turtled as well against Fei’s
Totally agree. I think once everyone gets ae and the game starts panning out, gief will be a lot worse than what we think now. To say gief looks “broken”? Umm, I don’t know what ur seeing or what kind of players ur playing but whatever. Also I think the twins will be a hard matchup for gief. Seems like almost all of their moves are safe and they can deal damage quickly, especially with how fast they can build meter which is also ridiculous.
Pretty much all Fei-Gief AE content is looking just like this. Fei sits on his ass and reacts to every move Giefs makes, with the occasional completely safe max range Rekkas that are braindead confirm-able into all three hits to put you in the corner.
But this is not really the new and improved Fei. This is simply just how the MU has evolved esp now that better players are picking up Fei.
If you watch the vid closely when ever Fei would pressure he would little by little take steps back in other words Mago figured out the range and would inch himself away enough to keep pressure and make that “buff” meaningless. But Trini is right it is an evolution of the match-up and the fact that Gief changed while Fei didn’t is also an indicator of how this has tipped over to Fei.
no, who said you must apply pressure to play against zangief??
All you need is proper zoning tools, that’s enough.
zangtian itabashi all lost to twins in tournement plays
And Kindevu lost only because he was too high and didnt play safe, if he did, he would win for sure.
When you saw 90% of the time , the twins got a life lead in this matchup,you should know this match is in the twins favour
By the way, Zangief cannot apply pressure on ANY character now, because he lost KD
almost every ex green hand is a free escape for opponent
You can count if you like.
with ae coming out, i did a small video… it doesn’t have great editing but useful info for people just learning gief… or want to improve on a few things… [media=youtube]xg7CYptcx0A[/media]
u2 isn’t that useless as we thought… now in ae we can easily control it’s direction but yeah i have discovered a few punishes for u2, some of you may already know but for those who don’t know it’s pretty cool. u2 grabs anything that’s considered airborne… like nothing can fuck with it in the air. oh well, i still thnk u1 is better but with gief getting nerfs and buffs we need anything we can get…
The problem is that sagat is also a factor but for the most part twin players were prep for Gief and were keeping him out pretty well that and that palm is tricky it was out for a while during a match against zangitan he thought it was safe to punish throws a s.mp and zangutan gets punished for it I was like wtf.
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another video
Frankly speaking, people are overating zangief too much, I think he is bottom tier in AE
without KD chance, any character that is fast and has safe moves gonna beat zangief for sure.
It’s you that have to react to every move they make, so they have advantage.
They can choose when to play zoning game when to apply sudden pressure, you dont have any choice on that.
Like I said earlier, I also think that gief will be a lot worse than what some are saying. The ex.gh at 2:32 could’ve changed the entire match but now instead he had to guess and gets air thrown, pretty sad now. I remember someone here saying that gief mixups don’t work at high levels lol. That statement is so wrong it’s hilarious imo. That’s why most feared/hated playing against a good gief.
Any whiffed or blocked special move will be hard punished not to mention those special move now only do baby damage.
So now in footies game, you should think twice when using them.
and without any safe move
all zangief can do relatively safe now is st mp cr lp and lk, st hk
and they nerfed mp damage cr lp damage and cr lk link
LOL, so ridiculous.
zangief lose in the footies game which is all he has.
lp spd buff and hp spd damage increased by 10 is completely useless.
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This
So zangief took so much risk, ex hand hit the sagat, the payback is only 130 damage, nothing else, he was too far away after the ex hand, nothing else he can do.
those ex hand KD used to be game changing point for this matchup. and now it’s bullshit
I rate this matchup 9:1 in AE.
All those gh’s zangitan landed in the end was just sad to watch. Honestly, I still can’t fathom why they decided to do this to gief. This was one of the worst mu’s in vanilla and now it’s worse lol. Gotta love that new jab spd range in this mu…damn near useless.
Christ, the Sagat matchup looks ridiculous now. If EX GH isn’t gonna knock down any more I wish they at least would have made it to where it doesn’t push them back so far. Or buffed its damage. Or made it travel farther. Or make it come out faster. Hell…ANYTHING.
How much bitching do you would have to be done in order to get balance patch fro AE?